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History of Kali Mist

Syd

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Just found this interesting post by Monkey in Serious forum .


"[...] Many people have speculated about Kali Mist`s genetics, often claiming it also contains original Haze genetics (that`s wrong!), as Simon has not precisely revealed its pedigree. But even if he wanted to, he just would not be able: Simon had received Kali Mist`s ancestors from different growers who for the most part didn`t know themselves where they exactly originated from. Nevertheless, certain details are for sure. The wellknown author Mel Frank reported in 1996 that “Kali Mist appears to have much Southeast Asian character” and that he “grew Kali Mist ancestral stock in the early `80s in Oakland, California”. Well, we do not know whether there randomly was a direct connection between the stock Mel Frank grew back then and the material Simon used for breeding Kali Mist, but we know at least that Mel Frank guessed right – Kali Mist, indeed, has a strong Southeast Asian background, namely Cambodian genes which constitute a major influence in Kali Mist. And Simon reports that before he started working with the Kali Mist genetics, different US growers had already cultivated its ancestors, but not used it as breeding stock. The other ancestor that is definitely known is an Afghani indica, and Simon revealed that the breeding pattern consists of two sativa dominant hybrids. Furthermore he assumes that there are also Colombian and Thai genetics in Kali Mist`s ancestors.

So what is for sure at least is the fact that the Kali Mist gene pool partly traces back to Cambodian and Afghani heritage and that its ancestral stock had previously been cultivated in the States. Interestingly, Simon made a trip to Cambodia in the past, trying to find high-grade landraces for refreshing and further advancing his Kali Mist, but wasn`t successful - he couldn`t find anything that was comparable to the Cambodian dominant lines he already had.

Kali Mist looks back on a very eventful breeding history, its genetic composition has been changed several times due to certain circumstances. The initial Kali version that was available until 1997 resembled, as already mentioned above, very much a Southeast Asian sativa. But while its high was superior, Simon wanted to improve its medium yield and decided to increase the Afghani indica share. Accordingly Kali Mist got a new father with more indica genes. This resulted into Kali Mist plants with higher yields and shorter flowering times, but also decreased the calyx-to-leaf ratio and interfered with that sensationally clean sativa high. Hence many Kali Mist lovers were unsatisfied with this revised version, stating that quality would be more important to them than quantity. But this was only one reason that made Simon return to a more sativa dominant pattern again in 1998. The other was that he simply was forced to recompose the Kali Mist strain anew, due to the fact that two breeding gardens of Serious Seeds had been busted at almost the same time and all specimens of Kali Mist`s male parent had been confiscated by the police. So this male parent used at that time for producing Kali Mist seeds was lost, but luckily, Simon still had closely related genetic lines at his disposal that had survived at other locations. In the aftermath of this bust, Kali Mist seeds weren`t available for one year and Simon eagerly worked on a new genetic profile. He took the chance and decided to revive its original almost pure sativa character by using a sativa dominant third father for creating the new Kali Mist version for the next millennium. And Simon`s decision to celebrate a Kali Mist sativa revival was soon rewarded by winning the sativa category of the High Times Cup 2000. Kali Mist nowadays has a sativa content of about 80-90 percent. However, since its second revision, Kali Mist has a flowering time longer than ever before, it takes 70-90 days to ripen - but that`s still short compared to a pure Haze for example. And the unique sativa high from the early days of Kali Mist has successfully been restored. [...]"
 
G

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also didnt simon work for sensi seeds and when he left he took there???.maybe..
 
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Raco said:
Didn´t Jason King say it´s Cambodian/Silver haze? :chin:

He is only speculating, based on taste and effect. Here's the qoute:


Although the breeders won't give out the pedegree details, I would guess that this is a cross between Cambodian and a Haze hybrid, possibly Silver Haze
 

JDOG6000

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Nice info.
I got one growing now.
The crystals look like raw sugar on the buds.
Very nice clone I got.
Same one Joeshmoe has.
 

Syd

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I've never smoked the first version...maybe nor the second (I can't be sure) but I really love Simon's strains, KM above all. There are many hypothesis about the genetics included in it and, as Monkey said, Simon never told'em officially.
I think it's not easy (at least to me) to say if a strain is "Hazed" or just "hazy", probably because Haze is a hybrid created by different sativas that could be used singly for other hybrids.
In fact Cambodian and Thai strains can be very similar.
Hmmm...I'm not sure that the phrases above are clear enough...well...I wanna feel optimist :-D.
 

spicecowboy

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My favorite Kali Mist phenotype is the one with that unmistakeable incence smell of the smoke.

Christams tree shape, with a pretty long top cola and the lower stems growing upwards.

High flowers/leaves ratio.

The dry/cured buds have a very spicy smell, but as soon as you light it up the whole room will smell like a church.

Very psychoactive, creative, energizing, buzzing, trippy high.

This is that kind of turn that activates your brain, and opens the doors of perception, the body effects are not numbing but give you that "Uh, I wanna dance" feeling that let´s you know you have some great Sativa rolling through your system.

The second best(or is it even better?) is what I call the chocolate pheno.

Still looking like a pure Sativa, but the buds are very big and extremely tight, actually they are that tight, you should watch out for mold forming deep inside which is not easily manageable, because they are soo tight.

The pistils of this pheno are EXTREMELY long and pronounced, which adds to the final bag appeal.

This bud actually smells like choccolate, the taste is quite choclatey but with a sharp spice.

The high is not that racy, but strong and pschoactive.

A few years ago, I stranded on "my" little Island in Croatia(my second home somehow..)

After having a talk with our friends and some refreshments, I rolled up a spliff with this weed.

The choccolate smell was overwhelming as I opened the bag after a 10 hr, partially quite adventerous yourney.

I smoked the spliff, drank a bit of red wine, and went down to our neighbour´s hotel to exchange money.

I giggled a lot as I met my dad talking to the female receptionist, and to our loved old aunt on the phone.

Even tough I´ve been there zillion time before, everything seemed so warm, vibrating, -undescribable.

I love Kali Mist!
 

fjällhöga

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I think i read that Kali contains Columbian , Cambodian , Thai and Afghan genetics ...
 

spicecowboy

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Uh- yes, I forgot to mention that the Kali Mist seeds I purchased from Serious Seeds about 3 years ago do also produce very nice phenotypes, but among ten plants I found only one incense pheno and no chocolate at all.

The turn is still VERY strong and definitely on the Sativa side, but more racey and not as psychoactive as the Kali I grew back then.


spice
 

spicecowboy

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Genetics

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fjällhöga said:
I think i read that Kali contains Columbian , Cambodian , Thai and Afghan genetics ...



According to Simon it contains South East Asian genectics, and Mexican.

I guess the SEA part comes from Cambodia and Thailand.

The Indica part is not very pronounced, it just brings down the flowering time, but I didn´t find a typical Afghani looking pheno(stout, bushy big fat dark green leaves...) so far and I allready grew quite a bunch of KM.


Kali Mist originally was a Sativa Polihybrid like Haze.

But it is not Haze.





spice
 
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JDOG6000

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Those strains would give it a hazey flavor it seems.
Some of those strains are in Haze as well.
maybe not the same versions.
But columbian and Thai and what not.
Am I right?
 
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Syd In fact Cambodian and Thai strains can be very similar. :-D.[/QUOTE said:
true.. true.. u mite think u are in cambodia, and actually be in :joint: :joint: thailand... or laos... :joint:
 

need4weed

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I have recently returned from vietnam and cambodia and sampled several types while in both country's, the stuff in vietnam was good and reminded me of the old days, these bags were picked up by dealers in the sreet. all though it was good weed i wasn't tempted to keep the seeds. it wasn't until i picked up a bag in siem reap from the tuk tuk driver that i had been using for a week that i realised i had something great. these buds had a peppery smell to it with a hashy overtone, the buds were made up of small to medium sized calyx's that went from a greeny-goldy color through to really dark green, some so dark they looked almost black, allthough there was an abundant amount of calyx's the buds were still very airy. i dont remember seeing many pistils and almost no leaf at all. it didn't taste like pepper it just tasted spicy. not sure how to describe it really. the high was amazing, you could think so clearly,it felt like it actavted a part of your brain that made you want to talk and talk, every thing seem to get brighter and colors got sharper, it felt like you could hear noises that you normally wouldn't hear.it was very euphoric as well, made me lough alot.it was the sort of weed that gave you waves of hot flushes in the head like your brain was boiling.fantastic stuff, i cant wate to do a test grow. it was completly diferent to any of the s.e.asian weed that was imported into australia back in the late 80's early 90's.i did a google search for cambodian strains and the was bugger all info accept for kali mist,i have never grown or smoked km but it does fit the bill . i might grab a pack and grow em side by side or even do a cross.
 

glock23

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need4weed said:
I have recently returned from vietnam and cambodia and sampled several types while in both country's, the stuff in vietnam was good and reminded me of the old days, these bags were picked up by dealers in the sreet. all though it was good weed i wasn't tempted to keep the seeds. it wasn't until i picked up a bag in siem reap from the tuk tuk driver that i had been using for a week that i realised i had something great. these buds had a peppery smell to it with a hashy overtone, the buds were made up of small to medium sized calyx's that went from a greeny-goldy color through to really dark green, some so dark they looked almost black, allthough there was an abundant amount of calyx's the buds were still very airy. i dont remember seeing many pistils and almost no leaf at all. it didn't taste like pepper it just tasted spicy. not sure how to describe it really. the high was amazing, you could think so clearly,it felt like it actavted a part of your brain that made you want to talk and talk, every thing seem to get brighter and colors got sharper, it felt like you could hear noises that you normally wouldn't hear.it was very euphoric as well, made me lough alot.it was the sort of weed that gave you waves of hot flushes in the head like your brain was boiling.fantastic stuff, i cant wate to do a test grow. it was completly diferent to any of the s.e.asian weed that was imported into australia back in the late 80's early 90's.i did a google search for cambodian strains and the was bugger all info accept for kali mist,i have never grown or smoked km but it does fit the bill . i might grab a pack and grow em side by side or even do a cross.

Sounds like you lucked out and got a primo Cambodian strain mate :D There's a guy on here who said he found a strain in Cambodia that totally reminded him of Kali Mist. Can't recall his name right now. I blame the pot and beer.
 

Gert Lush

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Slightly OT, but I hope not too much!

Can anyone comment on Sagarmatha's "Western Winds"?
I heard that it was very similar to the pre-97 Kali Mist, but sometimes it's hard to sift through all the gossip...
 

FIREGOD

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FROM WHAT I READ FOR YEARS SIMON USED TO BE PARTNERS WITH SAG!
THE WESTERN WINDS FROM SAG WAS ALLWAYS REFERD TO AS HAZY....even by the owners!!!
cambodian has allways been in sag stables so it might infact be a cambodian x haze hybrid such as nevilles haze or silver haze???
the secrecy leads me to believe this is an obtainable mixture easily duplicated but with the availability of serious' strain i dont think people will run out and try to bootleg it...why gto thru the effort except if it was a seed breeder ,,,,and he dont want the competition imitating his efforts!

alot of similatities between sag and serious,,, kali,western,,,,,k2 /ak,,,,,and so on,,,, simon used to be in business with them and i reading in hightimes when they were in the spotlight back in the middle 90's,,, there were pics of various strains and interviews with sag and alongside the buds were the names of the sag strains and in (____) had the serious name....

the thing that gets me is the addition of the indica in the early 2000 range...
i remember people from emery's site showing off their kali whick looked like a 50/50 cross,,,, not the sativa you seen previously.......kali was crossed to improve the yeild,,,, that looked very much like the kali mist joeshmoe is growing.... very nuggy! the old ksli mist in the kyle kushman grows was foxtail, sparse yeilding very sativa taking 90 days to complete flowering...

in the weedworld magazine they had a test grow article by green bourne identity which shows the new kali as very sativa again,,, but simon stated that in the bust,, one of his parents was confiscated???? so i dont know about the new ones smell , taste or high???
i purchased kali most from mod...... best of bost worlds i guess????

hope this helps a little! :wave:
 

Syd

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If I'm correct, Simon and Tony were partners at Cerebral Seeds and, at that time, even DJ Short was working with them. Then, after they separated, Kali Mist and Western Wind were worked in different ways through the years. From what I've read around in forums, somebody tells that WW has some NL in itself but still looks more sativa in growing. KM, despite the 2 rearrangements, is always described as the best for effect, above all when you're lucky enough to smoke the hazy pheno.
I've never grown nor smoked WW, so I'm not able to do a comparison by myself.
 

FIREGOD

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i remember that too but what im thinking about is the haze connection?
sag allways decribes it as hazy? even from the beginning!
 

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