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Tom Hill Pure Haze & Aceseeds OT Haze phenos
- Thread starter Feb2006er
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I think both lines will offer a variety of phenos as both are original haze that was never inbred enough to become an ibl.....either way i am interested in both lines but i do recall reading a post from sam the skunk man that haze has lost it's magic over the years. i would like to know which line presents the most phenos that have that clear, clean electrifying effect
Mr. Lovebuzzed
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hi
here is all about ace othaze and about releases of it https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59801 , here about tom hill haze https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=48937
and what i read i think theyre pretty different in flo times... othaze is much more variable - and ace breeders want this diversity, more phenos imo - 18 weeks+... while cbf and tom hill both claim tom hill haze is around 14weeks finishers more uniform, so quite quick for pure haze line...you should aks men themselves...
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here is all about ace othaze and about releases of it https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59801 , here about tom hill haze https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=48937
and what i read i think theyre pretty different in flo times... othaze is much more variable - and ace breeders want this diversity, more phenos imo - 18 weeks+... while cbf and tom hill both claim tom hill haze is around 14weeks finishers more uniform, so quite quick for pure haze line...you should aks men themselves...
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Mr. Lovebuzzed
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ace othaze is more for breeders and enthusiasts, or growers which have enough long season outdoor or in greenhouse...
CBF, grew the OT Haze as well as the TH Haze, and considered it a "jungle" haze, hard to grow indoor.
His source was not ACE, which offers alot more diversity, as which Mr. Lovebuzzed mentioned.
Hopefully CBF will chime in and clarify what I "quoted".
Much info to be gleaned in all the Haze threads.
His source was not ACE, which offers alot more diversity, as which Mr. Lovebuzzed mentioned.
Hopefully CBF will chime in and clarify what I "quoted".
Much info to be gleaned in all the Haze threads.
as the haze lovers say if its not from the haze bros its not haze ,well we kno sams gave posi his haze stock and tom picked up pure haze from posi in 95 i believe, soo IMO tom hill haze is one of the truest haze lines available
ive heard many good things about ot haze but its not from the haze bros
the posted links and research in the forums will give you all the info your lookin for
1luvbigherb
ive heard many good things about ot haze but its not from the haze bros
the posted links and research in the forums will give you all the info your lookin for
1luvbigherb
gkn
Active member
come on bigherb not the same discussion again... but you are right in that today these two lines don't seem to be that close one to another.
i think that Tom's has been worked in Holland a bit to the green side and is more suitable for indoors (haven't grown it yet, hope to do it soon).
OldTimer's has not been selected much and behives as a tropical sativa so its harder to grow indoors. In OT Haze purple phenos are more common than in Tom's.
saludos
i think that Tom's has been worked in Holland a bit to the green side and is more suitable for indoors (haven't grown it yet, hope to do it soon).
OldTimer's has not been selected much and behives as a tropical sativa so its harder to grow indoors. In OT Haze purple phenos are more common than in Tom's.
saludos
I find it interesting the passion that springs from Haze lines and who has the 'real deal'. Passion is a wonderful thing as long as it is done with respect. In my opinion, these Haze lines from Tom and Ace Collective should be worked side by side and married in a way that reintroduces the true 'animal' in the original line. I think a lot of good could come from such an effort. I have seen the works of OTH in gkn's and Tom's in Hazy Lady's efforts as well as those of others. There are some really good genetics to be had and I doubt they are more than 1 or 2 degrees separated. A collective of growers can do such a thing. Marry the best of the best hazes around the globe to create more uniform lines. There would be multiple paths to world class sativa bliss. It is a dream today, but the time will come...
I will just add one more point. With technology and the ability to share information across the globe, comes the ability to openly collaborate with the masses. In business, this term is called open innovation (OI). It is not the norm today, but will be the successful path for many business ventures to come. Sites like IC allow for a certain amount of OI, but they also perpetuate closed innovation (elites, heirlooms, what I have and you do not) and top secrets. I am not here to say that is a bad model, just that those who are open to the possibility of collaboration can achieve great things if they embrace it.
We have a number of Haze lines that with the right OI, could produce those elite forms that everyone keeps asking about. The power is in our hands, but it requires open sharing and willingness to do things for the better of the collective. I am no pure socialist, and I believe these efforts can create things that a capitalistic market can embrace. If a group comes together with a common mission, great results can be achieved. I think ACE is such a collective. I also believe that without OI from folks like Tom Hill, we will never get the best result.
Saludos, Salute!
We have a number of Haze lines that with the right OI, could produce those elite forms that everyone keeps asking about. The power is in our hands, but it requires open sharing and willingness to do things for the better of the collective. I am no pure socialist, and I believe these efforts can create things that a capitalistic market can embrace. If a group comes together with a common mission, great results can be achieved. I think ACE is such a collective. I also believe that without OI from folks like Tom Hill, we will never get the best result.
Saludos, Salute!
Dr_Tre
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My favorite quote from Tom Hill:
The ones we want are difficult to even talk about, only smile in great satisfaction at the raw power of this plant. A good Haze selection moves you like no other. There will be no ifs ands or buts when you find it. It will absolutely rip your head off and leave you walking round with your scalzoid in a bucket staring up at the sky
The ones we want are difficult to even talk about, only smile in great satisfaction at the raw power of this plant. A good Haze selection moves you like no other. There will be no ifs ands or buts when you find it. It will absolutely rip your head off and leave you walking round with your scalzoid in a bucket staring up at the sky
Hmmmmmmm, i dont have much growin time with OT1s offerin, the seed i grew came from HHF. they grew well, very much like a Dalat bud, or a lemon Thai i have from a private breeder. the buds came out much like a birds nest, lots of strands with very small calyx.
finished 7 females outta the OT1 line. some decent some hay. didnt think enough of the plants to do anything else with um.
havent had the pleasure of runnin any from ACE.
Tom Hills offerin i have quite a few grows of it, few outcrosses that have done well. while my first few grows were a learnin experience to get well grown plants. even then i enjoyed the line from the first grow.
its my favorite toke when the right plant comes along. just about every batch ive run i come across a decent plant, ive had a few head bangers, and still lookin for a top notch purple plant.
flowerin time varies with a good sized population, i say 15 weeks to 18 weeks, with alot of um done at the 15 week mark. so far the Lime phenotypes seem to be the best. have had a few metal plants that turned out well, just not my favorite flavor and aroma.
the plants with the long thin fingers also seem to be the ones to look for, the shorter wider leafed plants havent shown well in my spot. dont confuse the description with a indy like plant, there still sativa lookin, but just not the thin sexy slender fans.
CBF
finished 7 females outta the OT1 line. some decent some hay. didnt think enough of the plants to do anything else with um.
havent had the pleasure of runnin any from ACE.
Tom Hills offerin i have quite a few grows of it, few outcrosses that have done well. while my first few grows were a learnin experience to get well grown plants. even then i enjoyed the line from the first grow.
its my favorite toke when the right plant comes along. just about every batch ive run i come across a decent plant, ive had a few head bangers, and still lookin for a top notch purple plant.
flowerin time varies with a good sized population, i say 15 weeks to 18 weeks, with alot of um done at the 15 week mark. so far the Lime phenotypes seem to be the best. have had a few metal plants that turned out well, just not my favorite flavor and aroma.
the plants with the long thin fingers also seem to be the ones to look for, the shorter wider leafed plants havent shown well in my spot. dont confuse the description with a indy like plant, there still sativa lookin, but just not the thin sexy slender fans.
CBF
Feb2006er
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Is there a way to tell which Haze males carry the genome for purple progeny by looking at them in flower or is that a mitochondrial dna trait? I'm interested in taking some separate males for the purposes of breeding. I want a purple for crossing to purple dominant strains, and a green for using in greener crosses.
only way for me to tell is finish a plant, as far as it havein purple traits.
heres a true PHaze plant outta original haze, stems, leaf and bud are purple. theres plenty of plants that will show purple highlights through out flower in the leaf stem or bud, but one that is complete purple is rare and what i consider PHaze.
others with highlights and such i wouldnt call Phaze, but thats just my opinion. i mean when ya call a plant purple haze it damn sure needs to be purple, not some purp leaf and when harvested looks like normal bud.
this plant i call Royal haze as it has the golden buds and purple stems and leaf. not a true PHaze imo, but a great one none the less. believe this one carries the golden haze trait in the bud.
have had a few plants that get gold buds.
CBF
heres a true PHaze plant outta original haze, stems, leaf and bud are purple. theres plenty of plants that will show purple highlights through out flower in the leaf stem or bud, but one that is complete purple is rare and what i consider PHaze.
others with highlights and such i wouldnt call Phaze, but thats just my opinion. i mean when ya call a plant purple haze it damn sure needs to be purple, not some purp leaf and when harvested looks like normal bud.
this plant i call Royal haze as it has the golden buds and purple stems and leaf. not a true PHaze imo, but a great one none the less. believe this one carries the golden haze trait in the bud.
have had a few plants that get gold buds.
CBF
only way for me to tell is finish a plant, as far as it havein purple traits.
heres a true PHaze plant outta original haze, stems, leaf and bud are purple. theres plenty of plants that will show purple highlights through out flower in the leaf stem or bud, but one that is complete purple is rare and what i consider PHaze.
others with highlights and such i wouldnt call Phaze, but thats just my opinion. i mean when ya call a plant purple haze it damn sure needs to be purple, not some purp leaf and when harvested looks like normal bud.
this plant i call Royal haze as it has the golden buds and purple stems and leaf. not a true PHaze imo, but a great one none the less. believe this one carries the golden haze trait in the bud.
have had a few plants that get gold buds.
CBF
hello CBF
always great to hear your input
gorgeous as usual,id lov too see som dried nugs dont recall seeing pics of your's b4
are they full purple
i agree that the purple haze most be all purple to consider it soo or magneta as the haze creators wrote
im also very interested in a smoke report of your PHAZE if i havnt already asked,im most interested in taste/aromas
haze anint a craze its a life style
1luvbigherb
Awesome plant, CBF! Can you tell me how you grow these Hazes? Pot size, medium, lights, etc. Thanks.
Damn...fabulous! I want to know how the smoke is too.
I would think golden calyx = overdone all amber trichomes. Doesn't that make it hard to tell when it's done?
I'm new to haze...I'll be starting some up shortly... I need something more than your average hybrid.
Everything looks great and the high sounds wonderful. Hopefully I can find something that will get me back to the highs of the 70's...that's my goal...
Bigherb,
Is that your purple haze? Question: why not LST it into something more compact? Seems a waste of space/light.
Again...beautiful!
I would think golden calyx = overdone all amber trichomes. Doesn't that make it hard to tell when it's done?
I'm new to haze...I'll be starting some up shortly... I need something more than your average hybrid.
Everything looks great and the high sounds wonderful. Hopefully I can find something that will get me back to the highs of the 70's...that's my goal...
Bigherb,
Is that your purple haze? Question: why not LST it into something more compact? Seems a waste of space/light.
Again...beautiful!
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