Warning - BioBizz BioGrow

secondascent · Apr 13, 2007

Just because it's organic, don't assume it's any good.

Of all the organic products i've tested, BioGrow is simply the worst. i had a controlled organic set-up and the plants fed BioGrow became totally stretched, airy, sparse in leaf formation, and totally weak-stemmed. i used it with the Fish Mix precisely as the manufacturer's recommended. These plants eventually had to be staked heavily in order to keep them upright during flowering, not because of huge buds, rather because of weak main/stems. All it seems to do is create totally stretched out plants that are weak and indicate signs of poor root formation.

Just a warning to those considering this as an organic nutrient. I'm totally bias with organic nutes, and as soon as i see the organic sign i think "awesome! i support this company", and automatically identify with organic brands. however, i felt obligated to warn people about the BioGrow. Damn, maybe it IS actually meant for growing tomatoes. Luckily i was given samples and didnt have to dish out any cash...the remaining nutes will promptly be dumped in my rose garden :chin:

if you've had any experience with this nute, please chime in...positive comments or negative.

quadracer · Apr 14, 2007

I've used biogrow for a grow before and wasn't too impressed. It has a low NPK (especially N) for a gorw nutrient, and it didn't really do anything for me.

However, the Fish Mix and Alg A Mic are both awesome products and well worth the money. Alg A Mic makes my plants turn this deep, healthy color green whiloe making it grow practically in front of my eyes. Awesome stuff.

Sammet · Apr 14, 2007

I just got some Alg A Mic and due to a mix up with my order they gave me a free Biogrow too. I'll be starting soon, so I'll be using both and I'll let you know how I get on!

Moppel · Apr 14, 2007

i know lots of people who use this with great results.

secondascent · Apr 15, 2007

i should probably have mentioned...its only the bio grow i was ragging on. the biobizz biobloom & top max i can vouch for...those two are awesome products and produce great results in flowering...i'm yet to try the alg a mic.

Sammet · Apr 15, 2007

In the past I've used guano so I'll let you know how I get on with the bio grow.

Sammet · Apr 15, 2007

secondascent · Apr 15, 2007

quadracer said:
I've used biogrow for a grow before and wasn't too impressed. It has a low NPK (especially N) for a gorw nutrient, and it didn't really do anything for me.

However, the Fish Mix and Alg A Mic are both awesome products and well worth the money. Alg A Mic makes my plants turn this deep, healthy color green whiloe making it grow practically in front of my eyes. Awesome stuff.

what's the purpose of the alg - a mic? can anyone give content details? is it similar to products such as Grozyme? would it overlap with enzyme-esque products?

Sammet · Apr 16, 2007

secondascent said:
what's the purpose of the alg - a mic? can anyone give content details? is it similar to products such as Grozyme? would it overlap with enzyme-esque products?

Alg-A-Mic is a vitality booster that utilizes cold-pressed seaweed concentrate to provide an assortment of micronutrients, vitamins, amino acids and hormones of vegetable origin. Alg-A-Mic can be used as a foliar spray at 1-3ml per litre, or as a soil drench at 2-5ml per litre.

Thats the manufacturers gubbins, heard its good though so I'll give it a go.

theFLINTSTONERS · Apr 18, 2007

we've looked at BioBizz products and considered giving them a try . . . just to see how they might measure up against old "standby's" like Earth Juice . . . but somehow we never got around to it . . .

the biggest reason is BioBizz products are pretty darn expensive . . . and we see organic gardening as not only a more natural alternative way to grow our medicinal herbs . . . it also can be a very cost effective technique if the proper ingredients are choosen . . .

in all honesty . . . as much as we like Earth Juice . . . we're moving further and further away from using it or any other "pre-mixed" fertilizer . . . and concentrating more and more on growing with teas we make ourselves . . .

secondascent · Apr 23, 2007

theFLINTSTONERS said:
we've looked at BioBizz products and considered giving them a try . . . just to see how they might measure up against old "standby's" like Earth Juice . . . but somehow we never got around to it . . .

the biggest reason is BioBizz products are pretty darn expensive . . . and we see organic gardening as not only a more natural alternative way to grow our medicinal herbs . . . it also can be a very cost effective technique if the proper ingredients are choosen . . .

in all honesty . . . as much as we like Earth Juice . . . we're moving further and further away from using it or any other "pre-mixed" fertilizer . . . and concentrating more and more on growing with teas we make ourselves . . .

A little curious...as far as pre-mixed concentrates VS. self-made teas, how would you compare the physiology of the plants dedicated to each method (i.e. comparison of yield, health, vigour, etc)? are your tea results equal or better than those involving earth juice, etc?

Rosy Cheeks · Apr 23, 2007

I've used all of BioBizz nutrient products. I've used them in soil and coco, and in various mixes of them. I've even used a two year old bottle of BioBloom, thinking it must surely be too old, without a hint of problems and only good results.
I compare them to other organic nutrients (or even non-organic nutrients) I've used, such as Earth Juice and Plagron, and I concider them great.
I have to tell you that I think whatever you experienced was not because of the nutrients but due to other factors. Not because BioBizz nutes are so awesome there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with them, but because what you describe doesn't sound like a nutrient problem.
"Plants fed BioGrow became totally stretched, airy, sparse in leaf formation, and totally weak-stemmed." you say. It sounds just like etiolation.
When plants are grown in either in partial or complete absence of light, starch levels drop, strengthening tissues and fibers begin to soften, cell wall thickness decreases, vascular tissue is diminished, auxin levels rise, and undifferentiated tissue begins to form. The plants will have long, weak stems, smaller and fewer leaves because of longer internodes, and a pale yellow color (chlorosis). This is due to a lack of chlorophyll. The plant's increase in height helps it to reach a possible source of light faster. This is what happens when you flip your plants to 12/12, the famous stretch, and suddenly deprive your plants of 6 hours or so of light daily.
It shouldn't happen from a regular N-P-K regime. You could perhaps produce a growth boost with certain plant hormones, such as auxines, but it shouldn't happen like that, and as far as I know, BioBizz nutes does not contain auxines. By the way, did you use BioBrow, Fish-Mix or both in veg?
You say you used Fish-Mix as recommended. BioBizz recommends 2ml-5ml/liter (I assume it's the same in America). Now, there's a big difference between 2ml and 5ml, since it depends entirely on what strain you're growing. Nute-loving plants can perhaps take 5ml/liter for a while, but not all through the grow. If you used both BioGrow and Fish-Mix, a possibility is that somewhere along the grow, you overdosed. Initially, because of high N levels, it caused a growth spurt. Then, it weakened the plant and caused ph issues, which could perhaps explain the other symptomes. But the most likely cause of your concerns is light problems.
Did this happen when you went into flower?
Is there a possibility that you had a faultering timer somewhere, and that you gave your plants less light than you thought?
Did you cut down on light in this grow?
Finally, what strain did you work with, and did you ever work with it before? You'll be amazed how lanky some strains can grow, even in veg.

DimeBag65 · Apr 23, 2007

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i personally have had awsome results with Bio Bizz products, like using them side by side with foxfarm personally, its been great flavor and trichome production for me, also depends on what strains you are working with how much they stretch and or get lanky.

i personally dont like taking the time for making my own teas and such, but do like using guanos molassas later in flower. Hail the leaf, Dime

Sammet · Apr 24, 2007

Glad to hear it

WhiteWolfman · Apr 27, 2007

using biobizz bio grow along with alg a mic. It has worked very well for me and have been using it for about a month now. No problems whatsoever!

-BG- · Apr 27, 2007

Rosy Cheeks said:
I've used all of BioBizz nutrient products. I've used them in soil and coco, and in various mixes of them. I've even used a two year old bottle of BioBloom, thinking it must surely be too old, without a hint of problems and only good results.
I compare them to other organic nutrients (or even non-organic nutrients) I've used, such as Earth Juice and Plagron, and I concider them great.
I have to tell you that I think whatever you experienced was not because of the nutrients but due to other factors. Not because BioBizz nutes are so awesome there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with them, but because what you describe doesn't sound like a nutrient problem.
"Plants fed BioGrow became totally stretched, airy, sparse in leaf formation, and totally weak-stemmed." you say. It sounds just like etiolation.
When plants are grown in either in partial or complete absence of light, starch levels drop, strengthening tissues and fibers begin to soften, cell wall thickness decreases, vascular tissue is diminished, auxin levels rise, and undifferentiated tissue begins to form. The plants will have long, weak stems, smaller and fewer leaves because of longer internodes, and a pale yellow color (chlorosis). This is due to a lack of chlorophyll. The plant's increase in height helps it to reach a possible source of light faster. This is what happens when you flip your plants to 12/12, the famous stretch, and suddenly deprive your plants of 6 hours or so of light daily.
It shouldn't happen from a regular N-P-K regime. You could perhaps produce a growth boost with certain plant hormones, such as auxines, but it shouldn't happen like that, and as far as I know, BioBizz nutes does not contain auxines. By the way, did you use BioBrow, Fish-Mix or both in veg?
You say you used Fish-Mix as recommended. BioBizz recommends 2ml-5ml/liter (I assume it's the same in America). Now, there's a big difference between 2ml and 5ml, since it depends entirely on what strain you're growing. Nute-loving plants can perhaps take 5ml/liter for a while, but not all through the grow. If you used both BioGrow and Fish-Mix, a possibility is that somewhere along the grow, you overdosed. Initially, because of high N levels, it caused a growth spurt. Then, it weakened the plant and caused ph issues, which could perhaps explain the other symptomes. But the most likely cause of your concerns is light problems.
Did this happen when you went into flower?
Is there a possibility that you had a faultering timer somewhere, and that you gave your plants less light than you thought?
Did you cut down on light in this grow?
Finally, what strain did you work with, and did you ever work with it before? You'll be amazed how lanky some strains can grow, even in veg.

Yeah...that's what I think too....I have used BioGrow many years without any problems...

-BG-

secondascent · Apr 27, 2007

Rosy Cheeks said:
I've used all of BioBizz nutrient products. I've used them in soil and coco, and in various mixes of them. I've even used a two year old bottle of BioBloom, thinking it must surely be too old, without a hint of problems and only good results.
I compare them to other organic nutrients (or even non-organic nutrients) I've used, such as Earth Juice and Plagron, and I concider them great.
I have to tell you that I think whatever you experienced was not because of the nutrients but due to other factors. Not because BioBizz nutes are so awesome there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with them, but because what you describe doesn't sound like a nutrient problem.
"Plants fed BioGrow became totally stretched, airy, sparse in leaf formation, and totally weak-stemmed." you say. It sounds just like etiolation.
When plants are grown in either in partial or complete absence of light, starch levels drop, strengthening tissues and fibers begin to soften, cell wall thickness decreases, vascular tissue is diminished, auxin levels rise, and undifferentiated tissue begins to form. The plants will have long, weak stems, smaller and fewer leaves because of longer internodes, and a pale yellow color (chlorosis). This is due to a lack of chlorophyll. The plant's increase in height helps it to reach a possible source of light faster. This is what happens when you flip your plants to 12/12, the famous stretch, and suddenly deprive your plants of 6 hours or so of light daily.
It shouldn't happen from a regular N-P-K regime. You could perhaps produce a growth boost with certain plant hormones, such as auxines, but it shouldn't happen like that, and as far as I know, BioBizz nutes does not contain auxines. By the way, did you use BioBrow, Fish-Mix or both in veg?
You say you used Fish-Mix as recommended. BioBizz recommends 2ml-5ml/liter (I assume it's the same in America). Now, there's a big difference between 2ml and 5ml, since it depends entirely on what strain you're growing. Nute-loving plants can perhaps take 5ml/liter for a while, but not all through the grow. If you used both BioGrow and Fish-Mix, a possibility is that somewhere along the grow, you overdosed. Initially, because of high N levels, it caused a growth spurt. Then, it weakened the plant and caused ph issues, which could perhaps explain the other symptomes. But the most likely cause of your concerns is light problems.
Did this happen when you went into flower?
Is there a possibility that you had a faultering timer somewhere, and that you gave your plants less light than you thought?
Did you cut down on light in this grow?
Finally, what strain did you work with, and did you ever work with it before? You'll be amazed how lanky some strains can grow, even in veg.

This was more or less a controlled test. There were three groups of four strains (SDIBL, Highend, LA Confidential, St.Diesel). I've had previous experience with the majority and they were in a very stable environment that's been rock steady for over a year. Only the group fed BioGrow/FishMix (according to GHBB's light mix feeding schedule, 1ml/L for each nute) displayed symptoms i mentioned earlier, however, I'd like to put emphasis on sparse leaf formation. This is entirely in the veg stage. The other two groups were fed either foxfarm grow big or biocanna vega and displayed excellent results, SIDE-BY-SIDE. Further, when i gave up on the biogrow and switched to the vega there was an improvement in plant structure roughly 2 weeks after the switch.

I think a lot of people are deceived by veg nutes because it's usually their nice 'hot' soil blend feeding the plant for the first month or so, then they switch to bloom nutes, and can totally miss any deficiencies that their veg nutes may have had. for example, if youre using something like ff ocean forest soil, it's probably the soil making you plants look beautiful and not the veg nute. Working with a light soil mix gives you a much clearer picture of how well your nutes are working...especially in the veg stage.

I think BioBizz makes some great products (I still use topmax and biobloom with awesome results), but the effects of biogrow on my plants warranted a warning to fellow growers. I'm sure the problems wont come up with all bio grow users, but keep an eye on your plants anyway...especially individuals working with light mixes who are more likely to experience these issues.

Sammet · May 3, 2007

I'm using a light mix soil with the Biobizz grow. Here's the lastest pics...

(more pics in my diary in my sig)

Could be that they're still using the soil nutes but so far so good (its early days)...

Sammet · May 13, 2007

Hi, I'm thinking about buying some biobizz bio-heaven and topmax, does anyone have any experience with these nutes? Can anyone recommend them?

Cheers

Pimp Aurora · May 14, 2007

I'd buy them and a cf meter if I had the money, that bio-heaven looks like the doggy's danglies

Bio-Heaven contains a range of carefully selected bio-stimulants and organic ingredients that effectively turbo charge your plant into ridding itself of toxins, increasing it’s nutrient and trace element uptake and maximising it’s potential. This leads to enhanced vegetative growth, increased root system development and superior flowering performance.

But for now i'll let someone else test it so I can see if the hype lives up to expectations

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