Sealed room stadium grow... A build/grow thread

[LuckyTampon]

Blimey, you don't piss about do you

You'll be fine with the high and low 6's, the 8 and 6 was just me suggesting overkill.
I would recommend a little bit more spending, buy some thin ply/MDF/Correx, some 2 by 1**, some 6 inch duct to wall adaptors, (4 per fan, 1 inside and outside the box for each end of the fan, plastic ones for bathroom fans are fine and much cheaper) and some polystyrene insulation boards (they are only a couple of quid at Wickes) or cans of expanding spray foam and build a box/boxes for the fans, and you will reduce noise considerably. The 150L1 is noisier than the 8 inch fan, because it is the same motor, in a smaller housing. I even box filters so I don't have to hang them in tents taking up space. Plastic dustbins are good for boxing a filter in.


**DHF, even in metric land we still call it 2 by 1 LOL


EDIT
You are right, you can't give rep until you have 100(I think) posts.

If you can afford to buy Combiduct (normal duct with a grey or black plastic outer covering), then do so, the regular flexible ducting is crap, it punctures if you fart near it, and insulated ducting is a Pain in the arse.

Haha like i said previously this grow HAS to be finished and all equipment packed away in 12 weeks, so time really is of the essence lol.

Ah ok, I do like overkill as you can probably tell by the fact i'll be running 90w per sq ft but on the fans given my current situation the extra cost is not really warranted.

With regards to the noise, i'll have to see how i get on with these once they're installed before i go building boxes to quieten them, neighbours aren't an issue as the houses both sides of me are empty and i can put with a bit of noise if it does manage to make its way through to the living room... I think the big test is whether the missus will be able to put it with it haha. So thanks for the little DIY guide, will definitely come in handy if she kicks up a fuss

Ah ok, I'm sure it'll not be long before i can start handing out rep, 'specially once i get these babies sprouting.

Yeah i saw that combiduct stuff, pretty much passed over it as i didn't see what the difference was, was going to go with insulated but i'll get some of that now instead, probably should of ordered it with the fans, nevermind though i'll hunt around for the best price like i always do, being the tight arse that i am LOL.

LT

 

[Harry Gypsna]

With regards to the noise, i'll have to see how i get on with these once they're installed before i go building boxes to quieten them, neighbours aren't an issue as the houses both sides of me are empty and i can put with a bit of noise if it does manage to make its way through to the living room... I think the big test is whether the missus will be able to put it with it haha. So thanks for the little DIY guide, will definitely come in handy if she kicks up a fuss

Ah ok, I'm sure it'll not be long before i can start handing out rep, 'specially once i get these babies sprouting.

Yeah i saw that combiduct stuff, pretty much passed over it as i didn't see what the difference was, was going to go with insulated but i'll get some of that now instead, probably should of ordered it with the fans, nevermind though i'll hunt around for the best price like i always do, being the tight arse that i am LOL.

LT

It's not massive noise, it's a similar noise level to having a large aquarium with lots of pumps running.

I'd love to not have to worry about neighbours....growing without noise reducing contraptions and being able to bang some choons out...I bloody wish.

 

[LuckyTampon]

It's not massive noise, it's a similar noise level to having a large aquarium with lots of pumps running.

I'd love to not have to worry about neighbours....growing without noise reducing contraptions and being able to bang some choons out...I bloody wish.

It's awesome dude, we often have metallica shaking the whole house haha. Awesome for playing shoot em ups on the xbox too, with the bass our surround sound kicks out it's like actually having the explosions in your house lol

 

[Harry Gypsna]

It's awesome dude, we often have metallica shaking the whole house haha. Awesome for playing shoot em ups on the xbox too, with the bass our surround sound kicks out it's like actually having the explosions in your house lol

I had to put master of puppets on (quietly) as soon as I saw the word Metallica.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

Haha like i said previously this grow HAS to be finished and all equipment packed away in 12 weeks, so time really is of the essence lol.

Ah ok, I do like overkill as you can probably tell by the fact i'll be running 90w per sq ft but on the fans given my current situation the extra cost is not really warranted.

With regards to the noise, i'll have to see how i get on with these once they're installed before i go building boxes to quieten them, neighbours aren't an issue as the houses both sides of me are empty and i can put with a bit of noise if it does manage to make its way through to the living room... I think the big test is whether the missus will be able to put it with it haha. So thanks for the little DIY guide, will definitely come in handy if she kicks up a fuss

Ah ok, I'm sure it'll not be long before i can start handing out rep, 'specially once i get these babies sprouting.

Yeah i saw that combiduct stuff, pretty much passed over it as i didn't see what the difference was, was going to go with insulated but i'll get some of that now instead, probably should of ordered it with the fans, nevermind though i'll hunt around for the best price like i always do, being the tight arse that i am LOL.

LT

There is a ventilation guy on ebay, he has several accounts, I think it's a family business. He is Fantronix, Hydroponic fans and the-hydroponic-shop. and some others without hydroponic in the name. in fact the same items are cheaper, from his accounts that don't have hydroponic in the name, but he doesn't have the combi duct on the fantronix account. combi-duct is definitely worth it, it is much more durable. The regular ducting, quite often has pinholes in it straight out of the box, which is about as much use as an arsehole on an elbow when you are dealing with smelly air.
The same guy is the owner of "Hydro Buddy" fans and filter company. Ypou will recognise his ebay accounts., because all his pics have a watermark saying fantronix, even on his other accounts.

 

[LuckyTampon]

Do you sleep at all Harry? Haha

Good lad, Master of Puppets are bloody awesome too!

I'm gonna scan over fleabay tonight and see what deals there are to be had, thanks for the headsup on that dude.

The people who i ordered my tent from haven't dispatched it yet (useless ****s) so i've changed my order anyway, opted to go for a 2.4x1.2x2m tent. This leaves me in 2 minds as to what lights to go for, i figure the fans i ordered should hopefully still be ok. My choices are two 600w HPS dual spec or 3 of them... 3 will give me 57w/sq ft (11250 lumens/sq ft) or 2 will give me 38w/sq ft (7500 lumens/sq ft). I mean the obvious choice is 3 but how on earth would i set up 3 to evenly distribut light to both sides of the stadium given that it's nearly bloody 8 foot wide?!

LT

 

[Harry Gypsna]

Do you sleep at all Harry? Haha

Good lad, Master of Puppets are bloody awesome too!

I'm gonna scan over fleabay tonight and see what deals there are to be had, thanks for the headsup on that dude.

The people who i ordered my tent from haven't dispatched it yet (useless ****s) so i've changed my order anyway, opted to go for a 2.4x1.2x2m tent. This leaves me in 2 minds as to what lights to go for, i figure the fans i ordered should hopefully still be ok. My choices are two 600w HPS dual spec or 3 of them... 3 will give me 57w/sq ft (11250 lumens/sq ft) or 2 will give me 38w/sq ft (7500 lumens/sq ft). I mean the obvious choice is 3 but how on earth would i set up 3 to evenly distribut light to both sides of the stadium given that it's nearly bloody 8 foot wide?!

LT

Catnaps, and lots of tea.

Are you set on a stadium. Heath's racks would work in that space. Doing the width of the stadium along the length of the tent is too wide really, and the tent is a bit too narrow to do it the other way.

Have you looked at Marlo's grows? Worth considering in that tent.

If I wanted to do a stadium in a tent, personally, I would buy a 1.5x3x2metre tent, build the stadium into the width of the tent, and choose how much of the tents length I actually want to use, it is easy to hang a bit of sheeting to trap the light in the section used and it will be a lot easier to get in and access the plants if there is some space left.

 

[LuckyTampon]

Sounds a lot like my sleeping pattern lol.

I am pretty set on a stadium however i am open to suggestions, which you have provided. Marlo's grow are very impressive but not really my style if I'm honest. Heath's vertical racks on the other hand is something i would be very interested in doing, although i would need a considerable amount of help in designing something like that

A concept of what may or may not work if i were to do a stadium. Now i could be way off here and this might not be ideal at all but do let me know either way.

Top one is 2 x 600w lights.
Bottom is 4 x 600w lights.

Please do let me know if these seems at all feasible or efficient. Also scales are all way off obviously lol, it's just to make it clearer what i'm talking about, easier than trying to explain in words.

If this isn't doable then any help you could provide in setting up vertical racks would be very much appreciated.

LT

 

[LuckyTampon]

Or even possibly just 3 in a line with 2 outer lights at a higher position than the middle one. Idk, just thinking aloud.

LT

 

[Harry Gypsna]

I do remember a grow on here, by a member who deleted his thread for security reasons, he had the row of lights down the middle, and angled lights on reflectors high up at the sides. I couldn't really say from personal experience how any lighting configuration other lamps down the middle in a stadium sized for the lights. 1000 watt lamps would allow for a wider stadium but they throw off an awful lot of heat and and are not as efficient as 600s watt for lumen.
Maybe a light mover would work?

To build the racks for a Heath rack grow is no biggie, Id just build a simple support structure and use rockwool/coco slabs in the aquatrays made for them, and drippers to feed. Not strictly a Heath rack, but the basic idea is the same and I know he'd approve.

I actually had an idea to buy a cheap grow tent, and replace the frame with a DIY one made from this http://www.twowests.co.uk/product/heavy-duty-aluminium-tube these are the joints http://www.twowests.co.uk/product/heavy-duty-3-way-joint
No problem hanging a 10 inch filter in that Then I would hang the slab trays from chains or steel cable,like the old Irish and Webfish aerotubes back on Overgrow. Not suggesting that, just shooting the shit

 

[LuckyTampon]

I can't really picture in my head how the reflector thing would work like lol. Yeah not gonna be using 1kw lights at all, as you say they're not efficient, plus the fact that they're bloody expensive to buy!

I really am liking the idea of the vertical racks now, but not in the guttering type configuration that Heath has seemed to have done as i want to use a coco/perlite mix and hydroponics are not something i want to do. Something like this is what I'd be shooting for...

Soooo, because i'm after a cheap and very quick solution, i.e i dont really have the time to construct 4 metres of racking myself, i've found a cheap, lazy and somewhat ghetto approach to doing this lol, behold.... The clothes horse LOL

It will require a very small amount of DIY but 6 of them will provide me with space for 48 plants, 8 plants a rack, 2 plants a shelf in 25cm square pots. Like i said, very ghetto but i can't see why it wouldn't work and at 50 quid it's inexpensive. Let me know what you think.

LT

 

[LuckyTampon]

Right I've been trying to work this out and only 4 racks would fit in there like so....

Each green circle represents a stack of 4 plants, so a total of 32. With two 600w lights. The racks themselves are a tad under 1.5m tall so this leaves half a metre, or 20 inches, for the top plants to grow. In my mind this seems about perfect but would be good to have input from the more experienced vert growers.

LT

 

[Harry Gypsna]

The clothes horse is a nice idea, if they will hold up to the weight.

I can't really say about using a soil grow in the rack.. I think you would need bigger pots for each plant... 1 hydro plant can grow in a smaller pot because it's like the plant being on an iv drip, whereas soil is the plant having a sandwich....

 

[LuckyTampon]

I can't find any specs on how much weight they can hold but if needs be they won't be difficult to reinforce.

I like your analogy haha. I might try for hydro when i move house but for now i'm trying to keep it simple, plus never having setup or used hydro before i would likely encounter many problems that i just don't have the time to deal with.

LT

 

[rik78]

I think they will be very weak to hold all that weight

25 square pots are 3 gallons each, times 8 plants per horse, are 24 gallons each clothes horse.

They will be as a star point, but IMO they will need reinforcement from the begining

 

[LuckyTampon]

Yeah you're right they probably will be too weak, will have to wait and see what sort of quality they are when they get here but i do already plan to reinforce them, should be as simple as a strip of sturdy wood down each side screwed into each 'arm' of it to support the extra weight placed on them. I've a fairly good idea in my head of how it's going to go. I've got 1 week to figure it out though (probably 4-5 days by the time they get here) before i start planting.

Any more suggestions/comments are very welcomed.

LT

 

[LuckyTampon]

Thinking about putting up a scrog net too possibly, thoughts on this people?

I know i'm asking a lot before i've even setup the equipment but i want to have a solid plan of action before i start the grow.

LT

 

[Harry Gypsna]

If you want to use low numbers, then scrogging will help you in that aim, but vertical scrogging doesn't work like a horizontal scrog, you really just open the plants up, you don't make a perfect flat canopy of heads. the only way to get sold walls of vertical buds is high plant count.
Doing it Heath rack style, you could put a bit of netting between the plants and lamps to prevent the plants from flopping into the bulbs, but if you had lots of smaller plants that would likely be a non issue. If you were to want to put netting in to prevent them touching the bulbs, I would use chicken wire for safety reasons.

How do you feel about the law and the consequences of getting caught, because if you want to maximize your output, then lots of plants is the way to go, but obviously maximizes your sentence should the worst happen. In theory, the UK sentencing guidelines have no jail for below 8 (40 gram) plants for personal, no supply and no conspiracy with other people. Oh dear, I am conspiring with you right now, legally speaking.

 

[LuckyTampon]

If you want to use low numbers, then scrogging will help you in that aim, but vertical scrogging doesn't work like a horizontal scrog, you really just open the plants up, you don't make a perfect flat canopy of heads. the only way to get sold walls of vertical buds is high plant count.
Doing it Heath rack style, you could put a bit of netting between the plants and lamps to prevent the plants from flopping into the bulbs, but if you had lots of smaller plants that would likely be a non issue. If you were to want to put netting in to prevent them touching the bulbs, I would use chicken wire for safety reasons.

How do you feel about the law and the consequences of getting caught, because if you want to maximize your output, then lots of plants is the way to go, but obviously maximizes your sentence should the worst happen. In theory, the UK sentencing guidelines have no jail for below 8 (40 gram) plants for personal, no supply and no conspiracy with other people. Oh dear, I am conspiring with you right now, legally speaking.

Right ok i think i got ya there. I'll be using autoflowers for this run so having them hitting the bulbs i shouldn't think would be an issue. Will have to see how much space i have to work with once all the equipment is in there.

With regards to the law, in short, i don't really give a fuck. My previous ensures a sentence no matter how many plants i have. Also the law here is a bit different to the rest of the UK. Where i live is part of the UK but not Great Britain, if you don't get that then do a bit of googling lol. Oh noooooo conspiring hehe

Just out of curiosity Harry, have you ever grown blue cheese before? If so then i think i might have met you before IRL..... hmm.

LT