Definitely overwatered. Right?

[cervantz]

Hello all, first of all sry about my long and boring story about seedlings.

I have some that i popped like 5 days ago, things were all cool, but a few days ago they started showing some overwatering symptoms and looks like growth rly slowed down.
Its a 60%Perlite - 40%Dirt that i mixed for the seedling stage, i thought that was pretty much impossible to overwater but oh well.

I placed a fan blowing on the pots so the medium would dry faster and yesterday the pots felt rly light, but leaves was pointing down still. So i went to bed without watering it even tho it felt dry to me.
Today i woke up and went to check the seedlings, and leaves are still pointing down. I turned the cup upside down and carefully took the medium out and it was rly dry (I mean not bone dry but definitely NOT overwatered). A few roots was pointing out of the medium so i transplanted it to a larger cup filling empty spaces with soil and didnt watered since the soil comes out of package a little moist.

pH and EC meters are coming next week. I use tap water sited for 24h (At least until i get my meters).

So, do overwatering symptoms take that long to go away (unlike underwatering) and im just being anxious? Or could it be a pH related problem because of my untested tap water?

Ty all in advance

 

[CannabisFox]

plants looks alright besides signs of low rh and too much venting.imo

 

[cervantz]

plants looks alright besides signs of low rh and too much venting.imo

Thx fox, rh dropped from 80´s to 59/60% in like 1 or 2 days. Maybe thats why leaves started to point down like this?

 

[CannabisFox]

Yea I would affirm to that.
Had a similar seedling not long ago.. it recovered.

 

[cervantz]

Oh no its looking worse

Oh no its looking worse

Oh damn, i woke up today and went to check the seedlings and oh well.. its looking worse =( now leaves are pointin to its own steam lol. Leaves are strong and feel hard, not soft and thin.
Last night i gave it 1/4 strength 3part AN. Can they be overfed? Oh well im pretty much lost now. Soil is pretty much dry as u can see on the pic.

 

[legalizeDK]

i would say it is too young to feed. i usually start to feed when the fourth or fifth set of leafs i starting to form. and i only water when the pot feels light when i pick it up.

im no expert so maybe get it confirmed from others, but i would give it some water if it feels dry og hold on with feeding

 

[Hydro-Soil]

No nutes the first week.

1/4 to 1/2 strength starting week 2.... depending on what nutes you're using.

With AN 3-part you can run Lucas... 6-8ml Micro and 15-20ml Bloom. Don't need the Grow at all.

Mixing it that way you should be able to run 1/2 strength starting at week 2... maybe week three if it keeps growing this slowly while it recovers.

Once you have 3-4 nodes you'll be able to run full strength.. as long as you have 50 watts per square foot of lighting... or more.

Welcome to the hobby that often becomes a lifelong passion.

Stay Safe!

 

[sweeperman]

worse

worse

Oh damn, i woke up today and went to check the seedlings and oh well.. its looking worse =( now leaves are pointin to its own steam lol. Leaves are strong and feel hard, not soft and thin.
Last night i gave it 1/4 strength 3part AN. Can they be overfed? Oh well im pretty much lost now. Soil is pretty much dry as u can see on the pic.

good morning brother here is my 2 cent...1st try 2 transplant the little girls in some real good soil,happyfrog.or somthing close to it and give them nothing BUT...p.h bal water.it's not good to feed them when they r so small.if u/have a good soil that plant will go 3week with no feeding at all.i'm no pro....but my album will speak 4/me...a good grow starts will a great soil good luck my grow brother.keep it green.sweeperman

 

[Toes.]

what kind of lighting do you have. are you blasting the little fella with 25,000 lumens - 24/0

 

[cervantz]

Nice guys, ty for all the tips.

@legalizeDK, Hydro and sweeperman, thx, ill give it some fresh water today. Heres the soil specs according to the package, i dont have access to the same brands u guys do, but that should give u a hint: EC = 0,5 (+-0,3) ms/cm | pH = 6,4 (+-0,5). If i understand the EC correctly that doesnt seem strong for seedlings and its even mixed with like 50% of perlite, am i right?

@Toes. Right now they are under 4x24w HO T5´s (2x3k and 2x4k). Thats about 7k lumens. And its 24/0 should i give them some rest?

 

[Toes.]

Nice guys, ty for all the tips.


@Toes. Right now they are under 4x24w HO T5´s (2x3k and 2x4k). Thats about 7k lumens. And its 24/0 should i give them some rest?

it's up to you... I know seedlings can get way too much light, when they do, they usually look like that picture.

 

[cervantz]

it's up to you... I know seedlings can get way too much light, when they do, they usually look like that picture.

Ok, i just moved the reflector up like an inch, lets see if they like that better.

 

[cervantz]

Good recovery and now with the pH problems

Good recovery and now with the pH problems

Hey guys, firstly id like to thanks everyone who offered a little of his time to try and help!
After i moved the lights up a few inches, maybe only one, and took off the fan that was blowing directly on the seedlings, the leaf curl looked much better only a few hours later.

I holded on the nutes too as sugested.

Although the affected leaves are looking much better than on the pics, it looks like theyre not going back to its "normal" position. But new growth (Yes theyre coming along nicely!) doesnt looks like having any curl goin on.

That being said, and if ure still following me, i just got my meters today and thats probably goin to change a lot of things and add some more reasons for the slow growth rate. I measured my water, and right out of the tap it has a pH 8.5! lol... The one that sitted for 1 day has a pH 7.5, and thats what ive been watering my seedlings with. They´re probably hating it, and i cant wait to get it down to 6.5.
So, should i start giving them pH balanced water right away or should i get the pH down from 7.5 like 0.2 every water until i achieve 6.5?

Im not posting pics showing how they got better cause well, everyone knows how a seedling thats growing looks like, so im posting a pic of this weirdo seedling that sprouted yesterday just for fun! Click on it, i got the focus right on.



BTW guys, all seeds are from a (probably mostly) sativa, grown by a small "ayahuasca cummunity" (Not sure if thats the correct way to say in english). here in south america.

Thx everyone once again!

 

[the gnome]

good to see its doing better.
one thing..you said you had 60% perlite in the 1st post and then said 50%.
looking at the pics it doesn't look anywhere near that ratio, the roots need air and perite will do that...just wanted to add that

I usually run 30%-40% for seedlings and its really hard to over water them with that much perlite and the roots rip thru that light mix.
anyways sounds like your on your way to a successful grow my friend

 

[cervantz]

good to see its doing better.
one thing..you said you had 60% perlite in the 1st post and then said 50%.
looking at the pics it doesn't look anywhere near that ratio(...)

Ty gnome, I said that because when i transplanted to larger pots i filled the empty spaces with soil only, including the top, thats why the perlite ratio changed and looks like theres not much perlite. I did that cause i thought (erroneously) that they were going to be hungry on the mix.
What about lowering my pH, assuming i was watering with pH 7.5 water, should i lower a little every watering from now or go straight to 6.5 on the next watering?

Ty for the positive vibrations!

 

[trichrider]

go straight to 6.5 already, if you feel the ph was the culprit.
no need for ferts till it starts throwing true leaves/nodes...
and how close are the lights? inches? not that t5s are hot, but i use subdued light until they have leaves.

 

[cervantz]

go straight to 6.5 already, if you feel the ph was the culprit.

ok thx!

and how close are the lights? inches? not that t5s are hot, but i use subdued light until they have leaves.

Right know theyre about 3,5 inches from the 4 24w T5´s. And the small seedling that popped only a day ago, is about 5" and placed in a more "shaded" area.

I said i wouldnt, but im posting a pic of the recovering, thats another plant but it was really droppy at the time i posted the other pics. Notice that the first pair of leaves is still a little weird and twisted (maybe the high pH?), but new growth looks fine.

 

[Toes.]

nice one. fixed right up.