Green Force
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1 gram per watt = Max yield?? or is there no max? this has confused me i kno "pros" get 1 gram per watt but is this the max? or what is posible is what id like to kno just wondering
1 gram per watt = Max yield??
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Aaronponic
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The most I have ever seen anyone get indoor is about 1.4g/watt using vertical lighting. That's 3+ per 1K.
LED will probably change all that within 5 years.
LED will probably change all that within 5 years.
But I've never seen above 2 g/w.
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eLiguL
The problem with the gram/watt theory is too many factors are left out. Its only used loosely as a guide for yourself on how productive you are.
Key things that arent mentioned in this gram/watt theory:
- time
- CO2
- plant numbers
- strain
- vegging
- etc
You get the drift now I hope.
Key things that arent mentioned in this gram/watt theory:
- time
- CO2
- plant numbers
- strain
- vegging
- etc
You get the drift now I hope.
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As eLiguL said. If we all used the same standard equipment, techniques of growing and strains, then gram/watt would be an interesting thing to measure, but we don't.
Another important factor is size of the grow. If you run 200 plants then you simply won't have the same time and energy to spend on each plant - in terms of training, trimming and other tricks that can make your plants better yielders - as if you run 6 plants.
So +1g/w is all great fun to boost your ego with, but it's relative and tells us only that you prioritate yeild above all.
Another important factor is size of the grow. If you run 200 plants then you simply won't have the same time and energy to spend on each plant - in terms of training, trimming and other tricks that can make your plants better yielders - as if you run 6 plants.
So +1g/w is all great fun to boost your ego with, but it's relative and tells us only that you prioritate yeild above all.
G
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Binomial Probability Distribution (good starting point)
1. The procedure has a fixed number of trials.
2. The trials must be independent (The outcome of any individual trial does not affect the probabilities in the other trials.)
3. Each trial must have all outcomes classified into two categories.
4. The probabilities must remain constant for each trial.
Until someone comes up with a working formula, or can follow the rules of statistics, this argument is never going to go anywhere. Without this information, you cannot move on to hypothesis testing. Well, I take that back, you could.. but it isn't going to mean anything..
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Green Force
Active member
eLiguL i totaly agree with you i am just wondering yield is no matter to me cuzz any thing is better then nothing i was just wondering about speculations 
cuzz i honistly thought 1 gram per watt was a max yield from what i was told b4
cuzz i honistly thought 1 gram per watt was a max yield from what i was told b4
yukino_asano
Member
well I feel gpw is very good and I am extremely happy with anything near that.
Those number will vary greatly between the strain, grower, and enviroment used.
SO MANY FACTORS!!!
I find what is helpful is to give scenarios or what helped you with the strain you grew.
Then of course knowing the enviroment (air exchanged or c02 enhanced) medium (aero, dwc rockwool soil or soilless) and techniques (lst scrog etc) used helps to anlyze data.
I am talking about a GPW of high grade medicine grown with love and care.
Not commercial grade. SO there is another factor that maybe should be asked.
what is your goal? Quality medicine or mass production with no regard for quality.
I find all the facts need to be disclosed, since they all contribute to yield and most importantly (imho) QUALITY~!
I would rather have a 1/2 gpw of high grade vs gpw of commercial grown without care.
by sharing our techniques, strains, enviroment, feeding and techniques we then can help each other in similiar scenarios.
That way we can share the knowledge to help each other improve the quality and yield.
I am game for more standards and ways to share scientific data.
Of course the other factor is the strain your growing which can make it very hard to compare numbers.
I have been testing the same strain with different plants numbers and veg times to determine the best return on my investment.
My goals are to create the best quality medicine that is safe for patients to consume.
Bug mold and disease free.
SO many factors are also subjective regarding the final product.
The varies due to the patients views, preferences and tolerances to medicine.
Example: user a posts and gets gpw watt and loves the herb.
but in reality is a lightweight that would have an anxiety attack from one bong hit of 70+ day bubba.
So what they share maybe would not apply to my choice of strains needed for my tolerance but would apply for all other techniques.
So ask more questions and share more information.
Who? what? why? where? when???
sharing the knowledge helps everyone do better imho
Maybe there could be a form kinda like the smoke report?
That way you fill it out and document your grow. All the criteria to share could be there.
I remember seeing this somewhere??
forgive my long posting and rant but way too often I experience so much information left out and not asked. Just trying to help
Those number will vary greatly between the strain, grower, and enviroment used.
SO MANY FACTORS!!!
I find what is helpful is to give scenarios or what helped you with the strain you grew.
Then of course knowing the enviroment (air exchanged or c02 enhanced) medium (aero, dwc rockwool soil or soilless) and techniques (lst scrog etc) used helps to anlyze data.
I am talking about a GPW of high grade medicine grown with love and care.
Not commercial grade. SO there is another factor that maybe should be asked.
what is your goal? Quality medicine or mass production with no regard for quality.
I find all the facts need to be disclosed, since they all contribute to yield and most importantly (imho) QUALITY~!
I would rather have a 1/2 gpw of high grade vs gpw of commercial grown without care.
by sharing our techniques, strains, enviroment, feeding and techniques we then can help each other in similiar scenarios.
That way we can share the knowledge to help each other improve the quality and yield.
I am game for more standards and ways to share scientific data.
Of course the other factor is the strain your growing which can make it very hard to compare numbers.
I have been testing the same strain with different plants numbers and veg times to determine the best return on my investment.
My goals are to create the best quality medicine that is safe for patients to consume.
Bug mold and disease free.
SO many factors are also subjective regarding the final product.
The varies due to the patients views, preferences and tolerances to medicine.
Example: user a posts and gets gpw watt and loves the herb.
but in reality is a lightweight that would have an anxiety attack from one bong hit of 70+ day bubba.
So what they share maybe would not apply to my choice of strains needed for my tolerance but would apply for all other techniques.
So ask more questions and share more information.
Who? what? why? where? when???
sharing the knowledge helps everyone do better imho
Maybe there could be a form kinda like the smoke report?
That way you fill it out and document your grow. All the criteria to share could be there.
I remember seeing this somewhere??
forgive my long posting and rant but way too often I experience so much information left out and not asked. Just trying to help
yukino_asano
Member
eLiguL said:
200% get your drift.
Man you sent me on a tangent, this been on my mind alot.
Great post.
What always holds true, in my opinion
YMMV
Your mileage may vary
lolSurfnfisher
Member
You guys must burn alot of chron!
I knew the some great replies were coming when I saw the Gram per watt title.
Talk about getting deep.
Gram per watt is a real measuring tool in my opinion.
No, I dont get a gram per watt never have.
Its not the cieling.
But if you have 2k of light what was your yield?
I would expect 2lbs. in SOG or plants in 5 gallons.
Thats more like .5 per watt
So 1gperwatt to me is a job well done.
IMO its the basic measuring point of how well you did with whatever strain you have.
I knew the some great replies were coming when I saw the Gram per watt title.
Talk about getting deep.
Gram per watt is a real measuring tool in my opinion.
No, I dont get a gram per watt never have.
Its not the cieling.
But if you have 2k of light what was your yield?
I would expect 2lbs. in SOG or plants in 5 gallons.
Thats more like .5 per watt
So 1gperwatt to me is a job well done.
IMO its the basic measuring point of how well you did with whatever strain you have.
The only way is to measure is grams per watt hour or GPW/H.
Environment is subjective and unmeasurable, so no scale will ever work. We don't need to be perfectionists.
GPW/H
Environment is subjective and unmeasurable, so no scale will ever work. We don't need to be perfectionists.
GPW/H
HybridVigor
New member
I think some of you are telling some campies here... Getting 2gpw? Dry? 2kgs from a k watter? Please could I see some pics of that. A grow room in a big Co2 tank?
Also I think it's important to figure out what your personal limiting factor is, whether it be wattage, space, plant count, whatever. If it isn't wattage then I say over-light it by a bit (if you can effectively manage the heat). Your gpw might go down but your yield will go up.
If you want pictorial evidence of someone breaking the gram per watt barriers.
Search for Heath Robinson grows.
When people challenged him and told him something couldn't be done he would smear there faces in the proof with very well documented grows, it was beautiful.
He used to have like 20+ or so diaries on HG 420 but they are gone like OG.
You might be able to find a site with a few documented grows he did someone saved some and made a website somewhere i saw a vertical somwhere i think 2gpw.
Kk i found one but there is another website with more just search
http://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical.html
Search for Heath Robinson grows.
When people challenged him and told him something couldn't be done he would smear there faces in the proof with very well documented grows, it was beautiful.
He used to have like 20+ or so diaries on HG 420 but they are gone like OG.
You might be able to find a site with a few documented grows he did someone saved some and made a website somewhere i saw a vertical somwhere i think 2gpw.
Kk i found one but there is another website with more just search
http://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical.html
HybridVigor
New member
And surely with such a yield... Pics would be a plenty.
Some nice Heath Robinson grows are saved on strainguide.org ...... http://strainguide.org/grow-archives-2/
depends on many things - my record with hps and horizontal scrog is 1.6 gpw with a dr atomic NL.
i did get over 2gpw with a 15week flowering sativa but i dont really count that because of the longer flowering time.
pics are in my diaries
VG.
i did get over 2gpw with a 15week flowering sativa but i dont really count that because of the longer flowering time.
pics are in my diaries
VG.
HybridVigor
New member
Ty for the link chaos.
