Organic Grow, Sick CH9 Mendocino in early Veg

[sednal]

HELP!, Description of problem and Pictures
I have to start out by saying we got a new camera

This plant is about 1.5 weeks from sprout. It was intially given water/neuts(7ml of PURE BLEND PRO VEGETATIVE 3-1.5-4 and 4ml of LIQUID KARMA) when the germd seed was placed in the soil mix. It has been watered twice since then and started showing light green spots that turned into what is shown below. 24 hours ago it was given the same dose of neuts as it was intially given, and it seems like the spots have not changed at all.

Also the new growth that has occured over night seems healthy. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated as we are new to indoor pure organic grows. If a picture of the underside of the hurt leaves are required please say so.


Soil Mix
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings (Rising mist Organics, KS)
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.

Water
Steam distilled Water

Nutrients on hand
Botanicare's
PURE BLEND PRO VEGETATIVE 3-1.5-4
PURE BLEND PRO SOIL 1.5-4-5
CAL-MAG PLUS
LIQUID KARMA
SILICA BLAST
CLEAREX

Closeup of now Yellow Spots

Plant from top view

 

[JackTheGrower]

The new growth looks okay..

I would water first then apply my liquid feeds.

I'm not good on diagnosing problems believe it or not but if
I had to guess nutrient burn.

new looks goo d.. move on..

btw I don't like liquid karma nyself..

 

[sednal]

I was just reading in an organic thread written by a mod saying he neuts the soil 2 weeks before planting to start the mico feeding fest(with 1 tbsp of LK/gal). So i am unsure the proper way to start an organic grow. Should i just water then neut or not wait as long before i neut again and pay more attention to the plant?

 

[JackTheGrower]

I was just reading in an organic thread written by a mod saying he neuts the soil 2 weeks before planting to start the mico feeding fest(with 1 tbsp of LK/gal). So i am unsure the proper way to start an organic grow. Should i just water then neut or not wait as long before i neut again and pay more attention to the plant?

Everyone has a style..

In a small container some advise to wait for a problem before liquid feeding..

Since you are all set up with your materials for feeding then go with that this time.

I can advise on micronized materials and recommend applying top dressings so the soil biology has food/materials to process.

Organic grow: There are a few posts on methods of "Organic Grows" ask 10 organic growers get 10 points of view.
I'm a dirt farmer in that I feed my soil in attempt to provide all that the plant needs and hopefully add a little magic in the process.
With a organic program such as commercial products the idea advice is to follow directions and read up on what others have done.

The good news is the Cannabis plant will grow without special care really! It just doesn't need special programs; however, we are trying to grow excellent specimens so we provide optimal this and optimal that or even tourture and stress our plants all in the name of growing good cannabis.

So follow the directions.. Read up on organic soil growing and see if you can find other that do as you are doing for better advice on a program feeding style.

Wanna know how to top dress with micronized mixes then I can advise.. Mostly "don't panic, it's Organic"

 

[sednal]

good advice, we are finding with the water we are using we may need to add abit of cal-mag and silica. We are going this neut route because they are available to us cheap and we are not very experienced in indoor let alone organic growing but hotdamn is it interesting.

Now what is this drop dress with micronized mixes sounds interesting.

 

[sednal]

anymore ideas on the spots?

 

[Mr. Hugeblunts]

It looks similar to light burn but from your situation thats not possible

I have no idea.

 

[spiral]

Hi there. Id say nute burn. Just lay off the bottle nutes for a bit, there still young. Try makin a tea out of some of those worm castings theyll love that.

 

[sednal]

Hi there. Id say nute burn. Just lay off the bottle nutes for a bit, there still young. Try makin a tea out of some of those worm castings theyll love that.

The worm casting we ordered came with a recipe for a tea to make out ot of them but we accidently threw it away. Whats the process, just tea bag the worm castings and brew it.

 

[spiral]

Casting teas really easy. Theres alot of good threads here about makin teas, with some super expert tea makers, good stuff check them out.

All I do is put a gallon of water usually rain, or dechlorinated tap water, into a bucket, add a handfull maybe a cup Of EWC, a little molasses 1-2 tsp, and two air stones. Bubble for a day then dilute to a tea color, and water. Thats what I do for a simple tea.

 

[habeeb]

does the bottle say 4ml of LK ? as that seems alot to me for an additive

also, don't feed high strenghts on a plant that size, too much for it that little

why cal / mag ? didn't you lime


could be unusual nute burn, as the plant looks a little too dark green. ease up on the nutes I would suggest.

just read your post and 7ml of grow nute is way to high!! I usually use 2-3 ml max. let the plant breathe a little and remember less is more..

 

[sednal]

does the bottle say 4ml of LK ? as that seems alot to me for an additive

also, don't feed high strenghts on a plant that size, too much for it that little

why cal / mag ? didn't you lime


could be unusual nute burn, as the plant looks a little too dark green. ease up on the nutes I would suggest.

just read your post and 7ml of grow nute is way to high!! I usually use 2-3 ml max. let the plant breathe a little and remember less is more..

Thank you so much for repsonding, the bottle says 3-5ml of LK and 7-10ml of Pro Veg AT THIS STAGE OF GROWING so we went on the low side.. from the plethora of opinions about the lady we have received, this is what we kinda have come to the conclusion. Lime is in the soil as said above in my first post of my soil mix. We are normally outdoor growers and due to the crazy weather we took the dive. It was just our unknowning about how to feed these little guys going this organic route(not knowing there was enough neuts in the base soil mix to last the plant for a little bit).

So about 35 hours ago(before i had the camera and made the post) i gave them that second large dose of nutes i guess from here its water water water till theyr ready for nutes again? or is there anything we can do to fix this lady faster?

side note the spotting has not increased, my flowering tent in the same room is going into night cycle and dont have access to them for the next 12 hours hope they do ok

roughly going by this feeding routine....i guess its not working out to well: http://www.americanagritech.com/product/product_detail.asp?ID=1&pro_id_pk=90

 

[maryjohn]

I'm with Jack, this is not my expertise, but I can give some general comments as per your request:

I would have to concur that the best guess is overfeeding, heat, or light. Everything but overfeeding seems to have been ruled out...

I avoid the whole discussion by mixing my food with the soil at the start, since I have no faith in my skills as a gardener. Just a bit of hydrolysate once in a while and I'm good.

Perhaps what is really bothering you is the move inside. Not sure how often you visited your plants outside, but I would never have noticed something like this outside. Inside your plants are under a loupe and it can be an emotional rollercoaster. My own next step in your case would be to stop feeding and do nothing for a while. After you use up your nutes, maybe use amendments instead of liquid feeding. It's easy, works great, and it's the cheapest way. The mix you used has enough nutes to go way beyond the plant's current stage, assuming the worm castings are good quality.

It's just a potted plant, nothing more. Don't try to make it do what it can't, engineer miracles, or look for perfection. Get it "good enough" and the plant will surpass expectations.

 

[JackTheGrower]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrosis

Seems to be

 

[sednal]

Thankyou for your feedback pros, im waiting for the night cycle to end to see how she is. They are very good worm castings i know that so your right i have alot of neuts in there as it is. When you say use neuts instead of what i have you mean like a tea or something?

 

[habeeb]

hey man don't worry to much, it's a plant at the end of the day. whatever the bottle says 99% of the time cut it in half to start with and modify form there. as stated less is more in this game.. they always say way to much on every bottle. even my bio-canna says I think 5ml and I'm using 2ml with good results. its better to feed in little amounts all the time rather then feed one big time once in a while..

the best is to get in the habit of reading the plant, no schedule will tell you how to grow a plant, it's all on feel and reading the plant..

just let the plant breathe for a couple days, the soil looks good so let it be for a couple days then modify from there..

whenever my brother sends me a pick of his sick plants, most action taken is to let the plant sit it out for a couple days and then go on again..

 

[maryjohn]

When you say use neuts instead of what i have you mean like a tea or something?

I'm an amateur, but what I meant was dry stuff mixed into the soil, if you are referring to me. Dry amendments are really great for stoners IMHO. You mix them in at the beginning and let them cook for as long as you can.

then you just give water if you want. I give a bit of EM as well, and now fish hydrolysate, but it's all the same stuff I use in all of my gardening.

 

[B.C.]

I agree with the nute burn, I'd say it was the first feeding when they got transplanted, it jus took awhile to show. Btw, I had no idea this plant was this small when I told you to feed in yer other thread, I had got the impression it was bigger, sorry. Without pictures it was hard to tell. It didn't do any harm anyway.

After seeing the pictures they don't look like they want for much, yet. Jus watch for those bottom leaves to start going pale/yellow, and yul know it's time to start with the nutes. hehehe don't over love em!

There are some very good dry amendment, soil food recipes in the beginning of the organics for beginners thread, if you think you might wanna go that route in the future. It does make for some very easy "stoner" growing! lol... Bottled nutes aint no big thing either though... Good luck!

 

[sednal]

so def right. We are learning to read the plants more. Question with pic to come should i dump with ch9 mendo and 3 ch9 double x for just recieved fem sensi seed big bud? When i say dump i mean just put outside and flower from current state. The comes how do we handle an organic grow outside... She thinks it will be a trainwreck and wants to run what we have and wait for next cycle for the big bud

 

[maryjohn]

You need to harden them off before they go out. Google that phrase and you will get good instructions. Otherwise it's the same thing with more bugs.

Best aromas come from sun kissed buds.