The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.

[nick11]

You can find, and I did find some SSH plants with a super clean high, but they were not that good and the ones that were all had an element of what I call the dirty high.

It's not like I am anti-stone, as Colombians have a mix of a high and stone in their affect.

I have tried other Dutch Indica and non-Dutch indica lines and non had that type of affect.

I totally get what your saying most of the ssh I've grown have that effect. It's hard to describe almost like taking a benadryl, too strong too lethargic with a burn out after effect. Im guessing from the skunk side bc I hate skunk it gives me a headache. But I've also found some incredibly good ones too with that classic dutch incensey vibe. Ssh is very hit and miss for me, but for raw potency it's hard to beat.

 

[Stoneguru]

Screw most cuts. In almost 30 years I have taken in 4 cuts and discontinued them after making seed. I recently talked to a friend who did the opposite for just as long. With only a few exceptions he said equal or better has been able to be found in seed with the benefit of personalized selection.

Trich Stem traits are relatively rare among Sativa. Mexico has them in multiple old line. And Haze. People have references other NLD with this trait, but it generally turns out that haze or Mexican is in there as well.

My Alpine Haze 1.0 (Nevil's line work) has Trich Stem around 25%+ of the plants. Probably the best high/effect I have ever had. I would probably put it on the top of the list for consistent tells.

Upstate said there are herm issues with Oaxacan silver sides that he is improving successfully, but not ready to release.

I am running Oaxaca pearl from Colorado sativas OP of cryptic labs which may be the same original line and is available.

Upstate describe the pine, cedar, CS describes frankincense wood notes. Sounds like a hunt. I am still trying to source the Silver sides along side the CS and would offer options to any donor.

I am mostly looking for references to track traits like Trich stem that don't fit the Thai/Lumbo narrative of haze.

@fullymelted Some of those profile descriptions sound like African as the old timer said and others haze. The original durban has that. I have an OP of African Black Magic that has legendary status, but saving it for other African. One continent at a time.

This is Johnny Blaze ('05) next to a modern Nevil's Haze. JB was heavily influenced by the 97 Nevil's Haze. The b130 has a reputation for adding blue and letting the other parent shine l.

Here are a couple old Johnny Blaze plant s from this forum. The universal response was "trippy" and "like the first time I smoked". Those are not characteristics of b130.

A friend who may want to chime in here had the good sense to OP in '10 and again in '24

This is a tester of Silk S x JJ's Nigerian F1

JJ said the NL5 xHaze male was from the original 5haze Nevil released. Sensi repacked Nevil's gear and then changed the package along with their poor selections.

I ran the pack and it was like a time machine. The profiles eluded to the origin of so many modern lines all at once.

JJ's Nigerian is a really rare find. Aside from the couple A5 and C5 cuts everything is either BLD or multiple generations removed...including Nevil's Haze.

JJ's Nigerian is once removed to a 100% sativa. Nigerian. It was old when made and embryo rescue again.

I have been running Nigerian and haze crosses for about 4 years.

The best summary statement I can make would be that the Nigerian cancels out the NL completely and adds a exuberant anti depressant quality. Energy goes coursing through. Ever see African tribe laughing jumping and dancing? Like that.

The haze side raises the potency, nuances of effect and brings most of the quality haze profiles that Nigerian does not.

I can't think of a better landrace cross to orient Nevil's haze away from NL aside from maybe Dwight Diotte's Outback Viet projects being tested next.

Saipan 58 year Viet isolation. Dwights smoke reports are psychedelic and convinced him that Viet must have played into the original haze lineage

 

[Tsubaki30]

You can find, and I did find some SSH plants with a super clean high, but they were not that good and the ones that were all had an element of what I call the dirty high.

It's not like I am anti-stone, as Colombians have a mix of a high and stone in their affect.

I have tried other Dutch Indica and non-Dutch indica lines and non had that type of affect.

Do does the ´97 NH have any of the dirty NL stone at all, the ones you have grown?

I have smoked NH that didn’t have it but the hybrids that i grew had that heavy stone

 

[@hempy]

Do does the ´97 NH have any of the dirty NL stone at all, the ones you have grown?

I have smoked NH that didn’t have it but the hybrids that i grew had that heavy stone

Nevil's Haze for me has 2 main sides to her, one is Thai and the other is Colombian, and oddly the Mango Haze also does not have it.

The Afghan Haze does not have it well the F1s I grew out didn't and if my memory is correct that used Afghan T.

 

[Tsubaki30]

I really like DC x THH

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I got some thh repros while back.. wonder if i’m gonna find any DC in it? Thou I'm sure it's still a nice smoke ha ha

 

[@hempy]

This was my selection out of the SSH F1 I ran long ago from seed Nevil had made, so pre-2000 I ran her twice and culled her.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

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Wow!!! I don't believe I have read a more profound statement here on ICM than this one. That is the voice of actual experience, instead of someone who's done nothing but read books on cannabis. I absolutely hate that all of SamS's posts, except for the Biblio thread, were deleted... even if he's the one who made that decision.

I'm sure I would learn as much from his old postings as I have from Nevil's.

Every time I hear someone trash a Type II / Indica "high" as being lethargic and/or couch lock, I think I'm going to post this quote.

 

[@hempy]

Something to also point out is When Sam said self, the F1 seed to make the F2s he was referring to inbreeding the selected F1s, not sex reversal.

 

[RoyalFlush]

JJ said the NL5 xHaze male was from the original 5haze Nevil released. Sensi repacked Nevil's gear and then changed the package along with their poor selections.

 

[Stoneguru]

?

 

[harvestreaper]

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Wow!!! I don't believe I have read a more profound statement here on ICM than this one. That is the voice of actual experience, instead of someone who's done nothing but read books on cannabis. I absolutely hate that all of SamS's posts, except for the Biblio thread, were deleted... even if he's the one who made that decision.

I'm sure I would learn as much from his old postings as I have from Nevil's.

Every time I hear someone trash a Type II / Indica "high" as being lethargic and/or couch lock, I think I'm going to post this quote.

had the same experience myself,, gotta judge as individuals not stereotypes

 

[StickyBandit]

@Stoneguru what is the lineage of this male of your Alpine 1.0 Haze aka Frosty Boy? He seems to have a little frost on the stems...
I still have him in the clone tent

 

[fullymelted]

Screw most cuts. In almost 30 years I have taken in 4 cuts and discontinued them after making seed. I recently talked to a friend who did the opposite for just as long. With only a few exceptions he said equal or better has been able to be found in seed with the benefit of personalized selection.

Trich Stem traits are relatively rare among Sativa. Mexico has them in multiple old line. And Haze. People have references other NLD with this trait, but it generally turns out that haze or Mexican is in there as well.

My Alpine Haze 1.0 (Nevil's line work) has Trich Stem around 25%+ of the plants. Probably the best high/effect I have ever had. I would probably put it on the top of the list for consistent tells.

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Upstate said there are herm issues with Oaxacan silver sides that he is improving successfully, but not ready to release.

I am running Oaxaca pearl from Colorado sativas OP of cryptic labs which may be the same original line and is available.

Upstate describe the pine, cedar, CS describes frankincense wood notes. Sounds like a hunt. I am still trying to source the Silver sides along side the CS and would offer options to any donor.

I am mostly looking for references to track traits like Trich stem that don't fit the Thai/Lumbo narrative of haze.

@fullymelted Some of those profile descriptions sound like African as the old timer said and others haze. The original durban has that. I have an OP of African Black Magic that has legendary status, but saving it for other African. One continent at a time.

This is Johnny Blaze ('05) next to a modern Nevil's Haze. JB was heavily influenced by the 97 Nevil's Haze. The b130 has a reputation for adding blue and letting the other parent shine l.
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Here are a couple old Johnny Blaze plant s from this forum. The universal response was "trippy" and "like the first time I smoked". Those are not characteristics of b130.

A friend who may want to chime in here had the good sense to OP in '10 and again in '24

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This is a tester of Silk S x JJ's Nigerian F1
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JJ said the NL5 xHaze male was from the original 5haze Nevil released. Sensi repacked Nevil's gear and then changed the package along with their poor selections.

I ran the pack and it was like a time machine. The profiles eluded to the origin of so many modern lines all at once.

JJ's Nigerian is a really rare find. Aside from the couple A5 and C5 cuts everything is either BLD or multiple generations removed...including Nevil's Haze.

JJ's Nigerian is once removed to a 100% sativa. Nigerian. It was old when made and embryo rescue again.

I have been running Nigerian and haze crosses for about 4 years.

The best summary statement I can make would be that the Nigerian cancels out the NL completely and adds a exuberant anti depressant quality. Energy goes coursing through. Ever see African tribe laughing jumping and dancing? Like that.

The haze side raises the potency, nuances of effect and brings most of the quality haze profiles that Nigerian does not.

I can't think of a better landrace cross to orient Nevil's haze away from NL aside from maybe Dwight Diotte's Outback Viet projects being tested next.

Saipan 58 year Viet isolation. Dwights smoke reports are psychedelic and convinced him that Viet must have played into the original haze lineage

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out of all the old man stories of old dudes who have told me stories, the old man across the street probably is the most trustworthy. I would LOVE to be put in contact with some good seed stock, cuttings or even pointed towards where the best ones are to be found. im only working male lines for the next year to see how far i can take a male s1 generation, but i already made a 4x8 space in the room for at least 3 18 week girls. My problem is i read all of your guys comments about specific plants, and then i dont want to hunt my own i want to smoke the ones you described lol

 

[harvestreaper]

some lovely plants there @Stoneguru ,,the jb was a solid strain ,,good commercially with quality effects ,,tried to germ some old seeds last year but none sprouted i had a lot of fun growing out jb crosses to the doors and g13/haze amongst others but my favs were to an azure haze female really complimented each other

 

[Morphote]

Screw most cuts. In almost 30 years I have taken in 4 cuts and discontinued them after making seed.

Seems like a bold statement. I wonder what elite cuts you have seen. I've seen quite a few and I would never say that. I definitely agree with making seeds with elite cuts. Access to the elites is a privilege and an honor not to be taken for granted. Most people just hear about these cuts. I think more people should experience them. (Chem 91, Green Crack, DJ's F13, Blue Dragon, 213 OG Kush, DJ's Blueberry, Headband, Trainwreck, Blue Dream, etc). Even the lesser known regional elite cuts that I have grown are priceless: Texas Shoreline, The Nectar, and Texas Hashplant are all worth a run, even if you don't necessarily like them. The fact that you ran/bred 4 cuts speaks for itself. How were the progeny?

M.

 

[StickyBandit]

some lovely plants there @Stoneguru ,,the jb was a solid strain ,,good commercially with quality effects ,,tried to germ some old seeds last year but none sprouted i had a lot of fun growing out jb crosses to the doors and g13/haze amongst others but my favs were to an azure haze female really complimented each other

Not sure if you're interested but I have a germ technique that seems to work quite well on difficult seeds. I get 100% on mildly difficult
A mixture of advice from different people and something Tom said about tissue culture requiring light for photosynthesis prompted me to come up with this method

1) mix 10ml 3% hydrogen peroxide with 250ml rainwater in a clear jar with a lid (thanks @@hempy )
2) place the seeds in the jar and leave under a cloning light 18/6 (not in the dark as many suggest)
3) after 24hours you might see a tongue but leave to 48hrs and the husk should have softened and the tongue well visible
4) Thoroughly wet some Canna coco with 0.9EC salts and roughly 6.0-6.5pH and squeeze out excess water and place in 2L pots
5) Bury the partly sprouted seed a good 10mm (3/8") deep. Too shallow and it won't get the husk off. Should take about 2-3 days to surface at 25°C

This whole process is done in a cloning tent at 25°C (77°F)
The 2L pot will ensure they don't need watering for quite a while and because you squeezed it out the moisture level should be perfect to support oxygenation. You don't want to drown them
I also spray the area where the pots are sitting with surface bug spray so no springtails etc can climb aboard. People say they're harmless but I've seen them feeding inside seeds as they hatch which is another reason I leave the seed floating in the jar for a reasonable time

If you finish stage 3) and nothing has happened you can try to leave a little longer, another 12- 24hrs maybe and possibly a gentle air stone but It doesn't normally take this long. The hydrogen peroxide seems to add oxygen anyway but use your own instincts if it takes this long. Alternately remove from the jar at 48hrs regardless and plant in the pot with cling wrap over it or a sheet of clear plastic/glass to keep the moisture constant and wait

 

[@hempy]

The ward elite in reference to cannabis I first saw on the forums and the one question I had to ask was if these clones are so good then why are they being replaced by a new elite clone 6 months later ? It's like a clone is hypes seed is made, then the cycle continues that's replaced by a new one.

I have found lots of great plants over the years but keeping them long term is impossible, sharing them with the people I know is again impossible as most just want to run seed.

We have the Good/Ok/Shit rating system here and to keep good genetics long term the only real viable option is to have viable seed made from these stand out plants.

 

[420empire]

I’d say too Vietnamese and Oaxacan .

Oax 100%!!!
nam only tried that once , was Billys blackviet repro. Good medium but only 1 plant so not fair to jugde

 

[Tsubaki30]

Nevil's Haze for me has 2 main sides to her, one is Thai and the other is Colombian, and oddly the Mango Haze also does not have it.

The Afghan Haze does not have it well the F1s I grew out didn't and if my memory is correct that used Afghan T.

Have you seen many recessive phenotypes popping out of your 97 NH? ..there seems to be the pearly type plant atleast, have you seen others?

I was wondering because the Haze C male seems to split into different archetype sativas so i imagine the Haze A males did as well. I mean the Haze C influence in G13 Haze and Afghan Haze seem to be based on different archetypes/ancestor types

 

[StickyBandit]

I bought some NHz S1 seeds from GHS a while back and grew 3 out. Two were short with different aromas but one was quite tall and pointy with an acrid type aroma. They hermied so I culled them all but the aroma stayed in my memory
I recently acquired some seed (a few hundred) from a friend who got them from another friend in a forestry/bush area in New Zealand famous for having a few old strains through the decades. Anyway, I grew out seven plants and of the seven 6 were short BLD plants which I discarded and one I've kept was taller with a Christmas tree shape if grown from seed and it has that same aroma as my NHz from GHS but with a slight hint of lemon so I'm pretty sure it's an old NHz hybrid, and I'm actually on topic

Here she is with still a long way to go, a little under fed because I'm mixing my nutes for THHz which is ruling my grow room atm and can't be bothered keeping multiple strength buckets around
I'm not sure why the stems are red... other strains in the same tent don't have them like that