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Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

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Courtesy of John DeMont
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The Chronicle Herald
"I get why people say that Justin Trudeau's last days as first minister — which end as soon as Sunday’s newly elected Liberal leader takes over — have been his finest hour.
After being humiliatingly deposed, he could have sulked. He could have churlishly retired to his castle, the young prince suddenly turned aging King Lear, and raged against the forces that led to his downfall.
He could have been a classic lame duck with no influence because his term was ending, with no imperative to do much of anything since he is not seeking office again.
Instead, liberated from the distraction of plunging popularity poll numbers, a seething electorate and a disgruntled caucus, he has chosen another way: the way of the statesman and the patriot, as it must be for a wartime prime minister.
As the country faces an existential threat, he is fighting the battle of our lifetime for a country that had turned its back on him. What is more, he is doing so right up to the very last minute, earning the respect of his staunchest critics and, in the process, rewriting the finale of his prime minister-ship.
How hard, for someone known to possess an ego, has it been to endure the playground-level insults and curses of a lesser man? To sit amid the bling and botox of Mar-a-Lago, while being belittled as the “governor of the 51st state” while Trump’s MAGA hyenas cackled and whooped.
To hear Canada dismissed as “an artificial country” by an administration filled with cranks and fruitcakes, and Canadian citizens derided as lemmings who would surrender to the madness of the Nero to the south as easily as the members of the GOP have.
Yet, he kept his powder dry. He picked his spots.
Not once has he wavered, whether it came to his support of the people of Ukraine, or standing shoulder to shoulder with Canada’s democratic allies and fighting for his own country.
As the U.S. pressure grew — to the point where it must now be viewed as a genuine security threat to Canada — his resolve, and that of his government, seemed to stiffen.
When something big was needed, Trudeau somehow rose to the moment. His “You can’t take our country—and you can’t take our game” comment after the big hockey game may serve as a rallying cry, along with Jeff Douglas’s We Are Canadian rant, for the resistance that follows.
He nailed speech after speech. The one he made earlier this week announcing our response to the U.S. tariffs, which drew praise around the world, is the best I have ever heard by a Canadian politician.
Canadians fist-pumped as he called the U.S. president simply “Donald” and his tariffs “dumb,” and told the American people that they would feel the resulting economic pain, from which they have only their own government to blame.
Throughout, Trudeau’s tone — the dignified anger, the steely conviction — was perfect.
“Today the United States launched a trade war against Canada, their closest partner and ally, and their closest friend. At the same time, they’re talking about working positively with Russia, appeasing Vladimir Putin, a lying murderous dictator. Make that make sense.”
The time for mincing words was long gone. Trump’s tariffs had nothing to do with immigration or fentanyl, the prime minister said. “What he wants to see is a total collapse of the Canadian economy because that will make it easier to annex us.”
When Trump wilted, as he so often does when faced with resistance, and talked of some sort of moderation on the U.S. tariffs if we did the same, our government said not unless every one of yours go first.
Now there are those who say that Trudeau and the Liberals, for a variety of reasons, left us vulnerable to Trump’s megalomania. That what is happening is somehow the victim’s fault.
I no more subscribe to that line of thinking than I swallow Trump’s assertions that it would be good for all Canadians to join his country.
It will require a team effort to protect our sovereignty. But all teams need someone to take the point. We, luckily, have been led by someone who stood tall against tyranny as the tectonic plates of history shifted, who never gave up on his country, even though his country had arguably given up on him.
History, I believe, will not forget what he did when the times demanded it. My suspicion is neither will Canada."
 

moose eater

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By signing up, I agree to receive emails from The Intercept and to the Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.
Were you concerned with the Privacy Policy/ or was there another issue?
Of all the folks I interact with online, considering the heat The Intercept and Drop Site News have been put under for their efforts re. government corruption and Gaza, being threatened with loss of their 501(C)3 status in trying to silence them, and being sued by Erik Prince, they, of all people, worry me the least where doing underhanded or nefarious stuff with my data is concerned. That said, I'm relatively sure their links are monitored, but I gave up fear for lent. ;)
 

moose eater

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I could not read the article without signing up.
Sorry to see that.

I was pretty sure others were able to, which is odd. Maybe your geographic location, or ?????

I know they and Drop Site News struggle for operating money and especially as their finances relate to the ongoing suit by Erik Prince (Blackwater mercs head) due to their writing stories about him he didn't like, and doing a Trump maneuver, trying to bankrupt them by dragging them through court.
 

moose eater

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I’m sure you are referring to j6 ,I believe that is false
There are incidents (on video) in which Trump told his rally attendees to punch protestors in the face. Verbatim.

I don't believe there's any evidence of any direct link to the detainee having worked in tandem with Hamas or advocating for violence.

The protests at Columbia and elsewhere were, indeed, attacked by Zionist folks, many of whom weren't even students. And during those attacks, the campus security and police typically stood by and watched the assaults. Some of the assaults were serious.

You can find related articles, videos, etc., at Drop Site News, The Intercept, and Democracy Now.
 

Brother Nature

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Thanks for being opposed to slavery!

Slavery or near slavery is a good reason to disavow BOTH crony capitalism and Communism. Both have removal of individual consent as features of how they operate, where a free-market interaction is based in individual consent.

It's theoretically possible to have 3 people all working on the same kind of job and one is a Commie, one is a crony capitalist laborer and one is a free market person.

The Commie, by virtue of being a Commie, won't have his consent being respected. Somebody assigned that person to that job. The individual has little say there.

The Crony capitalist laborer, won't have his consent respected either and is under threat to comply with government regulations etc. The individual won't have much say there.

The person the farthest from being a slave, is the free market person who negotiated and made a free choice to be there and is trading their labor or service without being compelled or under duress or owing a share to external parasites.
That’s a lot of words to describe having a job… ;)
 

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HempKat

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first, it’s not my argument. It’s just something Trump is threatening ……….." “Times are not changing not in favor of freedom of speech anyway. It's only changing as far as what vspeech is promoted thru algorhytims and what speech is blocked thru Shadow Banning.” That is called censorship the opposite of free speech
Yeah but you suggested that revoking section 230 would stop platform owners from censoring speech when in fact it would actually increase the need to censor speech because trust me, no platform owner will set themselves up to be sued for content someone else posted on their platform. The reason for Trump to threaten to revoke it is because if they're still censoring speech when they're being protected from being held accountable, then they don't need that protection. Sure it is something Trump has threatened and been threatening since even before he was inaugerated. However it is still your arguement because you brought it up here to argue why platform owners won't do it in the future even if they have the right to do it, which you acknowledged is their right to do.
 

HempKat

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You lost me with this response ,I was responding to your statement “while people do have the right to free speech they do not have the right to say what they want to say, in whatever way they want to say it, wherever they want to say it.”
Yeah I know what you were responding to, you didn't like the last part saying they can't "say what they want to say, in whatever way they want to say it, wherever they want to say it.” My point is that it's not an absolute right, it's a right that only applies to the government, as in the government can't stop you from saying what you want on government or public prroperty. When it comes to private property though, th owner does have the right to stop you because you don't have that free speech right on their private property. I mean come on, that's not that difficult a concept to grasp. Although I think you grasp the comcept just fine, your problem is being unable to admit when you're wrong.
 

HempKat

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Im not pretending or dense ,we’ll just let that one go
Then please explain to me why you're still debating a minor point I tried to clarify for you that originated from an entirely different point someone else made to you several pages back?
 
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