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[mexcurandero420]

if it's anything like this stuff, i absolutely love it, even in high amounts...

but the stuff you and @Donald Mallard are talking about sounds like it might be a touch funkier

Thai oystersauce is nice too. Fish sauce i use Squid brand.

 

[funkyhorse]

Thank you for the link EB, I added 4 shops from the link you provided I will try when back in Thailand.
I am seeing a couple of shops selling good size nuggets for 10baht/gram. 0,30u$s/gram is a good price
They all sell same indoor weed, I tried quite a few strains of what they sell
Nothing at all on real landrace thai of not so long ago

It is all indoor. If it is greenhouse grown, it is still same modern hybrids I find boring

@dinowa
I am not good at all for expressing sorrow and condolences about the loss
I am afraid if something is not being done now, the fate of Original Haze will be the same as the landraces. They have vannished from South East Asia and whatever is left is totally degraded. The pure sativas are extremely difficult to find. Weed is not being grown outdoors anymore in traditional landrace countries like Thailand

Your husband left clear indications how to preserve Original Haze which are not being followed

With Cannabis to conserve a landrace 1000 females and 1000 males need to be used or genes will be lost.-SamS

I would cull all the early males. We are looking for the longest flowering ones

Modern growers indoors reproducing it cull the best Original Haze females because indoors they grow for too long and are not practical. The result of this is Original Haze gets degraded

All my best Original Hazes orver the years were late maturing not early.

What SamS said is exactly my experience. The best are the longest flowering ones, it is a pity they get culled just for practicality

Today modern indoor growers are reproducing Ohz by reverting their best female into male. The result of this is a genetic disaster. It is very good to use it only for smoking. Using it for breeding leads to mutations of any kind you can imagine and of course leads to degradation of Ohz in the second generation
I ask everybody: Would you like your father to be a woman?
xy is needed. Without xy how can you preserve the weed I dont know
SamS didnt use reversed females for making Ohz
He reverted males in order to get the organoleptic properties

I wonder if there is any chance to do a proper repro of Ohz as SamS has indicated
The best legal location in the world to do it is Thailand at the moment.
An Original Haze in a Thailand outdoor farm in a Northeast province where there are no outdoor grows such as udon Thani or Khon Kaen to repro and keep alive the torch would get the help of many people from all over the world. It would be a real collective effort and this would breed the ego out of the plants which is another sin modern breeders commit
Probably some legal arrangements have to be done in order to have an Ohz farm in Thailand
If this dream becomes reality it would be very nice
We just live once and we need to make the best out of it while alive.

Not so easy with small numbers used in most trials, if you have hundreds or thousands of plants you keep only the seeds of the best females. I used to select my males only from seeds from the best female the year before or transform any prospective males I was thinking of using, to Female to help be judge Organoleptically or by laboratory analysis.
You can also make crosses of what you think might be best, and grow out a lot of progeny to determine the best males to clone, keep and use as a parent, but it takes a lot of space plant numbers and time to do so.
Cannabis is a dioecious heterozygous obligate outcrosser, so unlike tomatoes which are easy to maintain a line of because they can self pollinate and remain true to type, Cannabis can not.
I selected my maybe best males then made seeds X with my best females, and then decided what were the best males to keep as clones, by progeny trialing. That works well but beyond what most growers do. Try transforming the best males to female and pick your male from the best one after transforming to female, they the transformed male to female can be smoked to judge.

It sure is easier to pick the best females, as we all know.
Traditional Cannabis growers grew thousands of plants of a single landrace and save the seeds of the best females, with sinsi growers thay could not do that unless they also grew a seeded crop of the same landrace for next years seeds. They would walk the field to be seeded and destroy any poor looking males and pollinate with all of the rest of the males and then save the seeds from just the best fseeded emales for the next years crop.

-SamS

 

[Elmer Bud]

I am seeing a couple of shops selling good size nuggets for 10baht/gram. 0,30u$s/gram is a good price
They all sell same indoor weed, I tried quite a few strains of what they sell
Nothing at all on real landrace thai of not so long ago

This company will send it to you .
Less than 1 Oz dollar per gram . Makes me doubt whether long flowering labour intensive strains will ever be mainstream again .

 

[Donald Mallard]

I wonder if there is any chance to do a proper repro of Ohz as SamS has indicated
The best legal location in the world to do it is Thailand at the moment.

i know sam wanted to do this in the tropics , i think he talked about jamaica when they relaxed the laws there ,
thailand would be a great place to do it , currently there are no restrictions on plant numbers ,
my ears pricked up with that information when we were talking to the place who provides licenses,
no restriction on how many u can grow ,
this means selections from large numbers is very able to be done , as sam suggested, probably take a few crops though to get something suitable/worthy to the finished stage ...

 

[@hempy]

Today modern indoor growers are reproducing Ohz by reverting their best female into male. The result of this is a genetic disaster.

You can't tell some people Funky.

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

You can't tell some people Funky.

Could be many reasons for doing that , doesnt mean all its wrong , i do it , if i grow some really old or rare seeds i get no male , what i should throw the plant away ? Ha! , Plus there fun to look thru , You seen ancestry show in S1's ...

 

[Elmer Bud]

An Original Haze in a Thailand outdoor farm in a Northeast province where there are no outdoor grows such as udon Thani or Khon Kaen

Why do you select these locations ?
I suspect there are grows every where . Green house with filters ?

 

[funkyhorse]

i know sam wanted to do this in the tropics , i think he talked about jamaica when they relaxed the laws there ,

I remember him talking about doing it in Jamaica as well

This company will send it to you .

I added them, Fishigh420 sell trim and bud
LINE in SEAsia is like whatsapp in the west. I didnt know this app, many many thai dispensaries sell on LINE
This is from them

From these guys I want to try the greenhouse grown but it is all indicas. They have just one supposed sativa, the Mango Smile

I spent 2 months in Udon Thani. I searched all the dispensaries, I tried from everybody and talked whatever I could with the guys
It is all indoor weed, pictures posted in this thread from some of those places.
Weed is sold 30Baht/gram but I found a couple of places selling for 15Baht/gram. Long flowering strains are doomed at these prices.
How much would you need to sell a gram of Ohz if you want to make some profit? 600baht/gram?
I think there is place because now long flowering sativas are a niche, if nobody sells them, nobody buys it. There is no offer for long flowering quality sativas and at these prices for indoor weed I doubt we will see it
The guys at the dispensaries tell me there are no farms in Udon Thani. They bring the weed from a farm in Loei. This Loei farm sucks, quality is bad. All of the dispensaries get the weed from them, except one that brings it from Kanchanaburi. I have been told in Khon Khaen is the same situation.
But in Kalasin and Sakhon Nakhon many many growers and that´s hermieland. All of the government CBD weed is grown there

But pollen can fly kilometers right? Greenhouses with filters will be needed if there is pollen contamination from outside
In the asean site I read a thread of a guy commenting that KD weed is poop. I am not the only one thinking this, I am glad to know

You can't tell some people Funky.

We have a song in southamerican rock called
Better not to talk about certain things.

I tried smoking some cob once . Couldn`t understand what all the talk was about ?

Brick has been done for the ease of transportation. When fermented brick has a very long shelf life.
I believe brick got fermented during transportation. Because in the 20th century it took so long for the weed to arrive, when it did it was fermented with quite a long cure enhancing weed like Thai Stick or Punto Rojo
Fermented brick reaches its peak at 2 years and it will still be good for 5 years easy.
Lebanese hash lasted 7 years with the cure the dead hashmasters did

Not every strain is good for bricking, it is only for pure sativas. With indica blood it is not it.
Make hash from indica blood.
Sifting pure sativas is not it either. Much better to smoke the pure sativa bud
Few strains will get enhancement over bud when fermented and bricked
Thai weed fermented stays green, dont get any colour

@Hrpuffnkush
You showed some great looking brick.
I dont know what strain it is.
Did you test it against the bud unbricked of the same strain?
Did you find any difference at all?
What differences you noted between them in the high if they were different?

 

[Donald Mallard]

i chose udon because after sussing it out ,
and going there a number of times ,
at least 6 or more times now,
i note a few things of benefit to growing ,, and even large seed production and or selections,

firstly , its so inland the monsoon is quite predictable , turns off like a tap nearly every time at the end of september , which is ideal for both production and making seeds ,
im sure this is one of the reasons that area was so successful in producing a lot of the thai sticks back in the day ...
I dont know of any large producers around there , but yea some folks grow in backyards , front yards etc
but its a big area , you could easily find somewhere secluded ,
i know a lot of folks worry about pollen , using the old story of it arriving from Morocco by wind to europe, but they dont pull the males , its a massive area with many grows , and lots of pollen, likely quite dry air , especially when the pollen is flying ,

im kinda betting most folks growing are pulling out their males in udon so as not to ruin the grows they spent time growing ,, the odd male kilometers away wont make any difference , even a few hundred metres i doubt it will go far ,
i used to have patches quite close to one another , males got away now and then , good help was hard to find , haha ,
they only ever affected the area they were in , with trees and bush , houses , fences etc etc ,
it doesnt get far especially just the odd male ...
for assurance , even just a hessian fence around the grow areas would pretty much guarantee nothing got in , im sure it would be ok to produce seed outdoor in that area , id pretty much bet on it being safe ..

 

[@hempy]

Could be many reasons for doing that , doesnt mean all its wrong , i do it , if i grow some really old or rare seeds i get no male , what i should throw the plant away ? Ha! , Plus there fun to look thru , You seen ancestry show in S1's ...

How are you going to preserve a line by selfing it ?

Selfing in the most extreme form of inbreeding, there is, and yet the people that look down on selective single female to male inbreeding support selfing that makes no sense.

If I had a few seeds and found no male and I wanted to keep that line around, I would out cross it then back cross and go that path.

Each to there own.

 

[Genghis Kush.]

outcrossing and backcrossing seems to inevitably create something new.
neither way truly preserves the line, though I think @Hrpuffnkush was not talking about true preservation but talking more about how interesting S1s can be since you get to see whats in the gene pool. There is always the chance of finding something better. It does happen occasionally

 

[nepalnt21]

How are you going to preserve a line by selfing it ?

Selfing in the most extreme form of inbreeding, there is, and yet the people that look down on selective single female to male inbreeding support selfing that makes no sense.

If I had a few seeds and found no male and I wanted to keep that line around, I would out cross it then back cross and go that path.

Each to there own.

i thought it was only a problem when overdone, ie when a line is inbred over and over or getting down to s3 and s4 with the selfing... i guess certain strains are probably already inbred anyway, but won't the generations let you know by producing less and less viable pollen?

 

[Rgd]

Apparently we loose thc over time as weed degrades so how could cured weed seem stronger but many of us have felt this ..

>apparently thc % s not the only parameter that defines high..but yeh.

 

[BC LONE WOLF]

How are you going to preserve a line by selfing it ?

Selfing in the most extreme form of inbreeding, there is, and yet the people that look down on selective single female to male inbreeding support selfing that makes no sense.

If I had a few seeds and found no male and I wanted to keep that line around, I would out cross it then back cross and go that path.

Each to there own.

It could be a cheap way to make seeds. Rather than finding a suitable male that can be paired with the line one wants to preserve. For example trying to save a old Thai line with "no males" then keeping that female alive while one tries to find a Haze Thai leaning male that is actually good... Finding that male could mean several runs. Selfing that female is a one run deal, exploring the S1 progeny then is also a one run thing.

I have never selfed anything, I don't really use that. For me S1 are a thing for commercial purposes. I have worked with selfed lines ,they give females thats great. For my purpose I like to see males as much as I see females.

I introduced a filipino male to Aces worked Chiang mai, I will now see progeny. Male count will go up in progeny, with a suitable male I can then go and explore the modern Thai lines I picked up while travelling, I know I wont find males so I have a back up waiting. If i find a male then I know he is a rarity (true male or not).

My other approach would be to use a back up male on the S1 progeny. And then explore.

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

outcrossing and backcrossing seems to inevitably create something new.
neither way truly preserves the line, though I think @Hrpuffnkush was not talking about true preservation but talking more about how interesting S1s can be since you get to see whats in the gene pool. There is always the chance of finding something better. It does happen occasionally

im just saying there could many reason's for S1's. either old or new , Say you have some really rare old seeds , you dont get a male ? What just let the line die off ? , And a pure line , if you Self it , youll get to see the Ancestry exhibit its self... Another great way to help learn more about lineage ... preserving increasing old or rare seeds in ANY form is good .. How many people have Acres and Laws that will let them undergo a proper landrace project that you could even TRUST , Maybe like 5 around the world if that , and who would be finiacing it ? Sketchy ... i stick to my small increases until then ...
"Some of anything is better than NONE" "Beggars cant be choosers" ,
Hard to post anything on interweb cause theres always somebody wants to split hairs to try to show there knowledge and Exp .

 

[Hrpuffnkush]

How are you going to preserve a line by selfing it ?

Selfing in the most extreme form of inbreeding, there is, and yet the people that look down on selective single female to male inbreeding support selfing that makes no sense.

If I had a few seeds and found no male and I wanted to keep that line around, I would out cross it then back cross and go that path.

Each to there own.

Your right might as well throw it ALL away , Kill it All with out daddys, Dont save anything because you wont be able to a proper preservation with out a 100 daddy's , When atleast 90% of canna community dont even have these type of genetics in first place .. , A lot of people have answers , never seem to see the proof in there pudding ... people teaching how to do proper landrace breeding but not doing it them selves , kinda silly ...

 

[ahortator]

You can do both, selfing and back crossing. With selfed seeds you will keep the strain pure. With backcrossings you will intorduce some new DNA. You can use a male and induce him to make female flowers with an ethylene source. Anyway growing S.E. Asian strains you will have hermies and tons of selfed seeds.

I have a close friend living in BKK as a war refugee. He is used to strong Myanmar weed and he complaints of Thai weed lack of potency. According to him most weed grown now in Thailand are only fancy new hybrids for tourists. Sadly even the supossed landraces are now weak, unlike the famouse 60's or 70's Thai sticks.

It seems Thailand has succumbed to the world ganja destruction trend as many other countries. Of course it must be possible to get the old stuff growm by somebody on an isolated mountain. But if you travel there and you are not able to get it, it's like if it has dissapeared.

 

[@hempy]

i thought it was only a problem when overdone, ie when a line is inbred over and over or getting down to s3 and s4 with the selfing... i guess certain strains are probably already inbred anyway, but won't the generations let you know by producing less and less viable pollen?

Male to female inbreeding is fine, no issues at all, and I have inbred up to 8 generations with an already homozygous or true breeding line.

Selfing is very different without derailing the thread completely as it's a completely different topic Breeder Steve talks how by S5 or S7 50% of the plants start to become sterile unable to become pollinated, so clearly that's not a viable long time goal most want or seek.

 

[@hempy]

Your right might as well throw it ALL away , Kill it All with out daddys, Dont save anything because you wont be able to a proper preservation with out a 100 daddy's , When atleast 90% of canna community dont even have these type of genetics in first place .. , A lot of people have answers , never seem to see the proof in there pudding ... people teaching how to do proper landrace breeding but not doing it them selves , kinda silly ...

They don't have old Thai or old Colombians or Panama reds and so on because most people did not want to grow them or couldn't grow them in the location they live in.

That is why hybrids that flowered much faster became popular and why they have dominated the seed retail seen for many decades.

I am not telling you to not grow S1s or S20s for that matter, that's your choice, but that is also not every one's choice or means of producing seed.

People that have managed to save and preserve these old genetics have done so by choice and effort, every single person posting or reading this thread that came across these old lines had the same opportunity to do the same.