Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on

[Hash Zeppelin]

here ya go a few of my flood drain table verts, one of my flood drain bucket verts, and one flood drain rockwool bed with a 1k watt bulb on 3 sides. It will get huge. ALL done with selective trimming. the buds get dense all the way to the middle of the plant. no larf. just the trim tested at 17 percent. see how many leaves I leave. I dont go crazy with the plucking at all

2 weeks table


3 weeks table (but this one got a bit stressed. they will be good though)


8 weeks buckets (I moved them back about 6 inches each last week.)


Day 1 bed

 

[who dat is]

nice

 

[MedicalGrower]

Hash
Nice example of a vert I can see with the correct conditions one could really benefit from changing things up, like the looks of whats going on here...
mg

 

[blackosprey]

i take leaves off superskunk,to free up sites for bush growing works for me,the last week i take all big leaves off and the light just gets lower down for sure

I have two mass superskunk x kush in veg right now. I can see where pulling leaves helps the branching structure of these babies. I successfully FIM'ed one of them, but I see now where that probably wasn't necessary.

 

[Grizz]

^once you go very you never go back. It is cheaper to run and yields more. nomore buying cool tube magnum hoods for 150 a piece. you need to live in a cold place and have lots of space to do it right though.

HEY H Z, not true about needing to live in a cold place to do vert right, and there are several methods of real small spaces getting huge yields using stacked bulbs. i live a stones through from death valley and do vert scrogg

 

[willyweed]

I have two mass superskunk x kush in veg right now. I can see where pulling leaves helps the branching structure of these babies. I successfully FIM'ed one of them, but I see now where that probably wasn't necessary.

have you got any pictures of them would love to see them,there is a few of mine on my profile, have a look if ya like ,see if they look like yours?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

here is a few more shots where I more aggressively selectively trim, but I needed to because these girls are getting really thick and bushy as I get this strain's veg cycle dialed in.

 

[Azeotrope]

What would you do?

What would you do?

These are 7days in to 12/12 and will stretch to 18-20 days..... Cross of JohnnyBlaze (F) x Sweet Blue. They were fairly thoroughly defoliated 3days before the flip. Not something I normally do. I am a beliver in the "solar panel" role of the leaves. Open to input and opinions. Obviously the first round did not do any major damage!











This is normally a big yielder that goes 75 - 90days.

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[maryjaneismyfre]

The tallest colas, i'd take a fan off one side, letting light down and leave the other to drive it..I'd take a fan leaf off where a cola or growth tip was directly stuck underneath looking for light. Otherwise your training and such looks good and you have a nice thick even canopy. I'd leave things for now, the first 2 to 3 weeks of flower the leaves IMO are still driving the stretch so take off where you want things to chill-out and leave leaf where you want tips to catch up.

Must say your girls looks good. and your space has a good fill. Once buds are set, say 30 days in take out leaves again to allow light down to the lower cola growth. Don't worry too much about underneath larf growth the weight is not worth it.

 

[willyweed]

I have two mass superskunk x kush in veg right now. I can see where pulling leaves helps the branching structure of these babies. I successfully FIM'ed one of them, but I see now where that probably wasn't necessary.

bending tying works for me, but its about what we are trying to create as our end goal.i love short wide plants with as many bud sites in the sweet spot as possible ,but thats just me,

 

[Azeotrope]

The tallest colas, i'd take a fan off one side, letting light down and leave the other to drive it..I'd take a fan leaf off where a cola or growth tip was directly stuck underneath looking for light. Otherwise your training and such looks good and you have a nice thick even canopy. I'd leave things for now, the first 2 to 3 weeks of flower the leaves IMO are still driving the stretch so take off where you want things to chill-out and leave leaf where you want tips to catch up.

Must say your girls looks good. and your space has a good fill. Once buds are set, say 30 days in take out leaves again to allow light down to the lower cola growth. Don't worry too much about underneath larf growth the weight is not worth it.

Thanks for the reply! I must admit this is a very vigorous cross that makes it look easy. Sounds like good advice. I will give it some serious consideration.

Regards,

Azeo

 

[The_Protege]

growing 30 plants of pre98 bubba....6 have had alot of fan leaves removed.... the rest we have left all the fan leaves on.


This is a side by side to see if there is a noticeable difference in bud size, density, or final product.

Which page is the results on? I skimmed the whole thread but could not find the results.

 

[The_Protege]

So all plants averaged the same just under 3 ozers... 6 striped plants just over a LB

no noticeable difference in bud size

Found it.

Thought the whole point of doing this was to increase yield? 0% x 6 = waste of time?

 

[blackosprey]

bending tying works for me, but its about what we are trying to create as our end goal.i love short wide plants with as many bud sites in the sweet spot as possible ,but thats just me,

yeah man, I hear ya there. I have to do tons of training through veg to determine how things fit in the box when the flip hits.

 

[The_Protege]

I have seen a bunch of threads on this site about cutting leaves off. Is there one that shows you get more weight if you cut off leaves?

 

[Chillb]

 

[sweetestsin420]

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[sweetestsin420]

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I have found that in veg it is easier for me to get the structure I want by moving the light in relation to the plant then trim fan leaves. Every time I trim fans in veg it slows the plant some.

That said in flower I have found that trimming the fans slowly after stretch will not slow the plant if done correctly. When I trim after stretch the buds get denser and more frosty. If I don't trim any buds that are shaded are usually crap at harvest.

 

[Arminius]

I think that regardless of yield results, pruning has other benefits.
As long as you do it gradually, and not stress the plants, the reduced foliage reduces transpiration, and subsequently lowers RH during late flower when you need it the most.
It only makes sense that proper pruning stimulates flower sites, not just in our chosen plant. I have not seen people doing a proper side by side using scientific guidelines, to prove a hypothesis. A few plants among many, randomly defoliated, does not count.
My best run was with a plant (USD), that was defoliated according to DHF's guidelines. I pulled 30 zips from 960w, and had to pull them a week early due to security concerns. Had I topped and trained better, as well as run the full cycle I know I would have beat the 1 gpw, as is, I think it was .85, but since it wasn't a full cycle it does not count in my book.
As a logical, scientific thinker, it makes no sense for people to dismiss to practice without proper stats to back it up.
Sweetestin420 have you considered some sort of training? Looks like a little bit of chaos in your canopy, no offense intended. Horizontal gardens yield best with even canopy's. Vert is even more critical in my opinion, since our actual canopy doubles, if not triples, horizontal gardens. An improperly trained vert garden can't compete with tables, it's a no brainer. But you get a cylinder of buds, and all bets are off, the math just doesn't add up...