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Moldy Dreads

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WASHINGTON – Private security guards working for Blackwater USA participated in clandestine CIA raids against suspected insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, The New York Times reported Thursday.
Blackwater, now renamed Xe Services, disputed there was any contract for secret raids. The reported role would point to a much deeper connection between the company and the spy agency than has been previously disclosed and raises concerns over the legalities of involving contractors in the most sensitive operations conducted by the U.S. government.
The "snatch and grab" raids took place regularly between 2004 and 2006, the Times reported, when the insurgency in Iraq was escalating and security throughout the country was deteriorating.
"Blackwater USA was never under contract to participate in covert raids with CIA or Special Operations personnel in Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else. Any allegation to the contrary by any news organization would be false," Xe spokesman Mark Corallo said in an e-mailed statement. The company changed its name this year.
A U.S. official confirmed to The Associated Press that Blackwater provided security and moved around with CIA teams on missions in war zones, but he denied they performed CIA missions. CIA Director Leon Panetta ordered a review several months ago of the company's contracts to be sure its guards only perform security-related work, the official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment publicly.
CIA spokesman George Little said, "This agency, like many others, uses contractors in roles that complement and enhance the skills of our own work force, just as American law permits."
"Agency staff officers have the decision-making authority and bear responsibility for results," Little said.
The former Blackwater, based in Moyock, N.C., changed its corporate name after a series of use-of-force controversies, including a September 2007 shooting in Baghdad by five company security guards that left 17 civilians dead.
The Times also reported that former Blackwater employees said they helped provide security on CIA flights that transported detainees.
The XE spokesman also denied that part of the report. He said it was an old allegation that had repeatedly been withdrawn.
The report comes as the House Intelligence Committee is investigating the agency's hiring of Blackwater to be part of a program to kill or capture al-Qaida leaders. The death squad program had several lives over an eight-year period before it was canceled Panetta in June. The CIA has said the effort yielded no successes.
The CIA has been reducing its reliance on the use of contractors over the past few years.
The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks occurred after a contraction of the CIA in the post-Cold War period and which compelled the agency to hire contractors to rapidly fill its ranks for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
 

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Accusations of Crusader Ideology ~ Allegations of links to Catholic Sovereign Military Order of Malta and links to the Christian right.
Jordanian Member of Parliament Jamal Muhammad Abidat wrote in the Abu Dhabi daily newspaper Al-Bayan that:

The painful saga of modern Arab-Muslim history evokes the battles fought in the Crusades of the 11th century, when the Knights of Malta began their operations as a Christian militia whose mission it was to defend the land conquered by the Crusaders. These memories return violently to mind with the discovery of links between the so-called security firms in Iraq such as Blackwater have historic links with the Knights of Malta. You cannot exaggerate it. The Order of Malta is a hidden government, or the most mysterious government in the world.

In sworn statements, two ex-employees claim Blackwater’s owner, Erik Prince, murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. One also charged Prince “views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe.” We speak with investigative journalist and bestselling author Jeremy Scahill, who broke the story for The Nation magazine.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/5/in_explosive_allegations_ex_employees_link

Blackwater - Any doubts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRd9zkUjsA0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oit0OcWUFGM

Blackwater Expanding Its Domestic Reach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKgtcLhnPtE
Mike Papantonio of Air America's Ring of Fire talks about how the private mercenary firm Blackwater USA is expanding its projects to include domestic services.
 

Owl Mirror

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Private armies.....so what's new?

I don't believe the 'private armies' point is the problem.
I believe it is the Religious associations of the group, linked to the United States Governments foreign policy that is disturbing.

Throughout the ages, wars have been waged on behalf of religion.
In most instances, the association with Religion wasn't in question and, the reasons given were simply accepted. This should not be the case with the US of A given it's separation clause in our Constitution.

The second problem is the 'too big to fail' notion where these groups hold sway over our governments foreign policy.
Today the US has over 100,000 military troops in Afghanistan, with another 30,000 troops soon to be deployed. Apparently this increase is to foster victory. Now couple the level of troops with the fact that private armies outnumber the entire US troop commitment.
If the US government does not cooperate, our national security could be placed in jeopardy by these groups rescinding their support.
Our national security is being held hostage to a private religiously driven army.

I find it ironic when people fret over other governments being subjective to a religion yet, they attempt to influence the US Governments actions based upon religious ideology and a desire for supremacy on this planet.

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The American people have become too complacent in regards to our continued freedoms.
We are made to be fearful of others, while those fear-mongers take over our government right under our noses.

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Imagine a private domestic army that could successfully challenge the US military and impose a new form of government. That day may become a reality unless the people wake up.
 

the_man

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“views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe.”

He claims to be in every single interview I have seen of him.

Gee wonder why they hate us
 

grow1620

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brown shirts.

Wait till obama's g.i.v.e. program gets rolling...a civilian "force" 2x the the size of the military.
 

severian

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The American people have become too complacent in regards to our continued freedoms.
We are made to be fearful of others, while those fear-mongers take over our government right under our noses.

You mean the AGW crowd? Yes, I agree.
 

robbiedublu

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“views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe.”

He claims to be in every single interview I have seen of him.

Gee wonder why they hate us

They hate us because we aren't muslim. Just like he hates them because they aren't christian. I think they deserve each other.
 

Euphrates

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Article by: Associated Press


BAGHDAD - Iraqis seeking justice for 17 people shot dead at a Baghdad intersection responded with bitterness and outrage Friday at a U.S. judge's decision to throw out a case against a Blackwater security team accused in the killings.

The Iraqi government vowed to pursue the case, which became a source of contention between the U.S. and the Iraqi government. Many Iraqis also held up the judge's decision as proof of what they'd long believed: U.S. security contractors were above the law.

"There is no justice," said Bura Sadoun Ismael, who was wounded by two bullets and shrapnel during the shooting. "I expected the American court would side with the Blackwater security guards who committed a massacre in Nisoor Square."

What happened on Nisoor Square on Sept. 16, 2007, raised Iraqi concerns about their sovereignty because Iraqi officials were powerless to do anything to the Blackwater employees who had immunity from local prosecution. The shootings also highlighted the degree to which the U.S. relied on private contractors during the Iraq conflict.

Blackwater had been hired by the State Department to protect U.S. diplomats in Iraq. The guards said they were ambushed at a busy intersection in western Baghdad, but U.S. prosecutors and many Iraqis said the Blackwater guards let loose an unprovoked attack on civilians using machine guns and grenades.

"Investigations conducted by specialized Iraqi authorities confirmed unequivocally that the guards of Blackwater committed the crime of murder and broke the rules by using arms without the existence of any threat obliging them to use force," Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said in a statement Friday.

The shootings led the Iraqi government to strip the North Carolina-based company of its license to work in the country, and Blackwater replaced its management and changed its name to Xe Services.

Five guards from the company were charged in the case with manslaughter and weapons violations. The charges carried mandatory 30-year prison terms, but a federal judge Friday dismissed all the charges.

The explanation held little sway with Iraqis outraged over the case.

Dr. Haitham Ahmed's wife and son were both killed in their car during the shooting.

"The rights of our victims and the rights of the innocent people should not be wasted," he said.

'Trial was unreal'
Iraqis have followed the case closely and said the judge's decision demonstrated that the Americans were considered above the law.

"I was not astonished by the verdict because the trial was unreal. They are using double standards and talking about human rights, but they are the first to violate these rights. They are killing innocents deliberately," said Ahmed Jassim, a civil engineer in the southern city of Najaf.

Dozens of Iraqis have filed a separate lawsuit alleging that Blackwater employees engaged in indiscriminate killings and beatings. That civil case was not affected by Urbina's decision and is still before a Virginia court.
 

Dr.lecter

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id feel alot safer with a bunch of blackwater guys in my back yard. theyre mainly ex us and british special forces and they dont accept nutters. imo id rather pick my wars AND my salary aswell, unlike enlisting...

what people forget is the insurgents kill 10 times as many civvies per week than blackwater has ' allegedly ' killed in the 6 years theyve been there. ya they get contracts from the cia, theyre good at what they do.
 

Owl Mirror

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Yet another example of how to win friends and influence people ?

Iraq threatens action after Blackwater case collapses - Friday 1 January 2010
Officials and relatives of 17 Iraqis killed in Baghdad react with fury to US judge's decision to dismiss all charges

The incident began when a heavily armed Blackwater convoy moved into a busy square in Baghdad, after breaking an order to stay in the US-controlled green zone of the city, prosecutors allege. The five were accused of opening fire with automatic weapons and grenade launchers on unarmed civilians, killing children, women and men attempting to flee in their cars. One victim was alleged to have been shot in the chest while standing with his hands in the air. Defence lawyers said they had been responding to an earlier car bombing and were attacked by Iraqis they believed to be enemy insurgents.
 

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