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Cabri

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Yeah well i find that is what i am looking for, i take daily medication. I don`t agree with you funk about the not being good for BP or other. I agree with the rest you said though. Very much describes the racing thought process and insomnia. I`m sorry i`m not like everybody else but i just wanna be me and enjoy the herb and the life we have without unneccesary Overbearing Law enforcement coming down on ill people. thank you very much everyone.
 

magiccannabus

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I'm a type 2 bi-polar and really only go manic when I run out of pot. Last time it happened, my girlfriend was arguing with me and I freaked out and leaped out of a moving vehicle(I was the driver). I haven't worked in at least 6 years, I am perpetually out of energy. Topping it all off, I have Celiac Sprue Disease and that leaves me nauseous almost all the time, and swollen/bruised feeling when I eat glutens. Pot is the only medicine that treats my main disorders without nasty side effects. Prescription meds helped sometimes, but they take a long time just to even maybe work. Cannabis works, and the people who fight to keep it illegal are hurting sick people.
 

magiccannabus

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hate to be the bearer of bad news, but pot is not good for bipolar disorder. in fact it makes it much worse

What you're really saying is that it doesn't work FOR YOU. That sucks too because it does wonders for a lot of people with bipolar. By stating it this way you seem to be speaking for all of us, and that's just not how it is. I admit it is possible it makes it worse for you, but I really wonder how scientific that assessment really is. Have you tried using different types to steady yourself?
 

CoonLover

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hate to be the bearer of bad news, but pot is not good for bipolar disorder. in fact it makes it much worse

What you're really saying is that it doesn't work FOR YOU. That sucks too because it does wonders for a lot of people with bipolar. By stating it this way you seem to be speaking for all of us, and that's just not how it is. I admit it is possible it makes it worse for you, but I really wonder how scientific that assessment really is. Have you tried using different types to steady yourself?

You said before I could :yes::yes:
 
I think we have to be careful at looking at marijuana as a suitable drug to treat bipolar.

Not to say it can't help, but for many that have been using marijuana long term, the withdrawal from it can easily worsen symptoms, and bring on an episode. That said, is marijuana simply relieving withdrawal symptoms, or is it actually helping?

Of course, with such a long half-life, one would have to wait months, if not more, to actually know if the pot was actually helping after long term use.

That said, we're talking about a disease that encompasses numerous types, and little is known about. We can diagnose the disease based on symptoms, but little else. Many chemical effects/cycles can easily mimic bipolar disorder, and if one isn't honest with a shrink, it's pretty easy to get misdiagnosed.

I mean, opiate opoid medication would calm you down pretty well, and for some, it'll even pick you up. Benzo's can calm you down, amphetamines and cocaine can bring you back up. Not saying that MJ is that drastic...

My point being is that there are TONS of mind or mood altering chemicals out there, all of which will have an immediate effect in regulating a mood disorder, however whether or not the effect is positive over the long term can be extremely difficult for the patient to accurately view on his/her own.

Regardless of the benefit of marijuana, in my experience with bipolar, self medication is difficult, and often extremely inaccurate.

IE "well, depending on how I'm feeling I take X", this can often worsen the overall condition, and most times the patient is completely unaware, even the most honest and introspective people fall victim to this.

Far safer (although it doesn't exist) would be for a shrink to prescribe a certain amount of MJ daily, taken at the same time every day.

MJ might also help mask the symptoms, without dealing with the core issues. IE if I can't eat because I have a body image issue, MJ could help me eat more, but it won't deal with the underlying problem that I have a body image issue that keeps me from eating.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that from what I've seen, a bipolar patient taking the lead role in their medication (whatever that may be) typically does not yield good results over any given length of time.
 

bterzz

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Hey everyone. Kinda crazy I just stumbled across this thread.

I was wondering how to get help for a bi-polar person. I know my mother is bi-polar and she has to know it too, but anytime I try to mention it she gets one of those crazy-freak-out episodes.

She just had one about 30 minutes over a set of car keys. My mom is totally the coolest kick-ass mom ever, but lately she has been running herself down. She says she has anxiety, and she gets some pretty gnarly panic attacks. and has been coping with the anxiety by using alcohol. She has become way to dependent on alcohol lately and its only making matters worst. I was wondering what I should do about things, as ive been getting really worried about her.
 

CoonLover

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Hey everyone. Kinda crazy I just stumbled across this thread.

I was wondering how to get help for a bi-polar person. I know my mother is bi-polar and she has to know it too, but anytime I try to mention it she gets one of those crazy-freak-out episodes.

She just had one about 30 minutes over a set of car keys. My mom is totally the coolest kick-ass mom ever, but lately she has been running herself down. She says she has anxiety, and she gets some pretty gnarly panic attacks. and has been coping with the anxiety by using alcohol. She has become way to dependent on alcohol lately and its only making matters worst. I was wondering what I should do about things, as ive been getting really worried about her.
Make some cannabutter and ask to try some of your baking the next time she is having an episode.
 
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FunkDoctor

everyone is different for sure and ganj may not affect certain bipolar people when it does others

I will restate what I mentioned to say ganj does help me feel better when I have mixed mania/depression. however, I do feel it ulitmately perpetuates it while giving relief in some way unfortunately.

though it aggravates the hell out of my bipolar disorder, I still love to smoke. at the moment I am trying to find one or two narcoti c indica mothers with great sleeping inducing properties, as the biggest problem with my bipolar for me is falling AND staying asleep

black domina and other afghanis in the past have worked better for me then ambien or other benzos which are nothing to fuck around with

I think ganj may affect certain people with bipolar 1 (I think this is the bipolar) that can't take depression medications like SSRIs. A lot of peeps can't take these SSRIs and get more depressed and suicidal, does the opposite for them

research suggests marijuana DEFINITELY does have some kind of anti-depressant qualities. the qualities being that smoking weed actually mimics SSRI's behavior at the serotonin receptors in your brain. Both work VERY similarily, but are VERY different in that pot has a VERY mild antidepressant affect (again while actually being more of a depressant). This Anitdepressent affect acts just like an SSRI keeping serotonin sitting at the synapse longer, which somehow helps with depression/chemical balance

So, if someone is bipolar and has had bad experiences with antidepressants, they are most likely going to be negativly affected by smoking, even if it is hardly noticable

again, if I smoke too much Tahoe OG Kush, my bipolar mania goes through the roof like crazy and start getting endless energy, crazy ideas, bad sleep, racing thoughts over and over in head. OG is very psycoactive as it is mostly sativa and not mosly indica like most think. other sativas definitely irritate the shit out of my bipolar like jack herer, and C99. Super Silver Haze X OG Kush has not, very surprisingly

other strains seem to maybe not HELP the bipolar itself per se and may aggitate, but positive affects outweigh the negative ones with the right strains IMO.

some strains are very antianxiety and relaxing, but they are few and far between. some feel almost benzo like xanex or klonopin would. examples of these strains that don't affect me as more on the indica side like blueberry, sensi star, afghanis, rhino, etc

I would prefer good chronic and bipolar aggitation over meds and not smoking, plain and simple! I am just saying for some it may really be underminding them mental health and they really not know it. have to know your own body and figure it out whether its beneficial or not for you

ALSO, vaporizers!!!!!! They cause mania in me in a matter of hours after smoking, which scares me. They advertise that vaporizing allows for more of the active ingrediants to be released, and I believe this. If I vaporize, it gives me full on bipolar/mixed mania/depression and the symptoms rage much harder. there is no doubt it gives you a high that affects your brain chemistry much more then regular smoking.

really that's how I figured most of a lot of this stuff out for me personally. was going to vaporize for my health, but each time I tried to vap it was off to the races mania!

all in all, it seems to affect my bipolar less if I smoke just one, maybe two varieties at a time. and two, that it's mostly indica as a lot of sativas have very psychoactive properties

2 cents. good looking out to all of you! :) peace
 
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FunkDoctor

I will also prefice though that exstacy, LSD and mushroom use was one of the stems of what triggered my bipolar IMO. more exstacy, but I felt it getting worse with L and boomers after years of doing lots of them

X is a seriously horrible drug that fucks with your brains natural balanced chemistry, and fucks with it hard causing deep depressions because of serotonin being drained in the brain. a lot of kids in the past 10 years have been serious causualities of this drug. I have heard of quite a few exstacy causuality stories and know a couple personally. not to be fucked with

L and mushrooms are not as bad, but work in similar ways as X and antidepressants in that they alter sertonin receptors, which shouldn't be fucked with to begin with. all work on different serotonin receptors. they are all connected in some way
 

CtHaddock

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I'm bipolar type 2. I used to eat ergenyl, xanax and rohypnol. Today I eat a small dose of risperidon and smoke weed. The heavy benzos that help with panic attacks and sleep, I completly stop taking spontaniusly becous the weed makes me not needing it. A balance between indica-sativa also replaces Ergenyl mood stabilazor. I got rid of the generalized anxiety (GAD) with northern light special supported therapy. Doctors have several times pointed out my unusually exceptional and fast results of that therapy, completly unknowing of the weed. Risperidon takes the edge of the hypomania and helps me identify it faster to take an extra pill when needed or, my own translation of the doctors intention: Smoke indica. :joint:

As I live in a non tolerant Sweden my doctor doesn't know. The politics is too influental on the public health system that the politics demand me to be clean of any illegal drugs if I wan't to stay in the psyciatric care and not be transfered to substance abuse care. Where the prioritys are 1. get me clean 2. treat me.

The least bit of stress makes my brain go bananas and I just shut down. I haven't been able to work for over 5 years now.

Over the years I have noticed that wen I run out of weed, i get hypomanic. Exactly the same as if I would stop taking ergenyl when I still took that. Also I get more hypomanic days and less depressed days when smoking. That in combination with that i can somewhat manage the hypomania with indica is a much better quality of life.
 

mushroombrew

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I'm bipolar type 2. Luckily I have the "genius" variety. I'm not just saying it to be arrogant but I can accomplish anything I put my mind to. I'm very successful in life. Relationships are another story. I just came off a 3 year stong manic phase with maybe a hour of sleep a day. Huge amounts of booze and benzo's and still only an hour. I had no concept of how much time went by.
Lamotrigine saved my life. Weed does nothing but make me more manic during an episode. I have serious rage issues. Once the meds got me off the crazy train the smoke really started to "work". I only need 25-50mgs of lamotrigine to keep me stable.(tiny dose) and 2g of smoke/day.
Sativas make me a little manic but only temporarily. I actually enjoy the energy levels of the manic episodes. Sativas give me a taste without pushing me over.
Indicas really help get me thru the day without ripping anyones arms off. I have an endless supply at all times. Right now I have Pre 98 Bubba Kush but it can push me into a low with over use. I never get lows naturally; only with too much indica.
I usually keep a few varieties in the garden and use different kinds depending upon my moods.
I don't think weed can really get me where I need to be by itself. And if you're bipolar be careful what you smoke. AK 47 sativa cherry pheno aggravated me beyond belief during a manic episode. All out fury.
Very dangerous to the public! Mania for me= Fury, no food, no sleep, no pain, no empathy. Just a warrior mentality.

In summary I feel smoking really improves my quality of life. Without it the stresses build up and I stop eating. It's the combo of smoke and meds that does the trick.

We may all be bipolar but each one of us needs to fine tune our regime. I wish the psychiatrists were more open to discussions. I'm sure lots of people could reduce intake or more harmful drugs with a little herb in there diet.:D
 

maryjohn

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CtHaddock I love your name! I grew up with Tintin in French, had all the comic books. So racist!

It's really great to see all these responses, and to sum up, you've all said this in one way or another: be careful when mixing pot and bipolar.

My own little "theory" is that the effect of a vaporizer depends on temperature setting. At 303-330 F, it's all the "up" stuff, while if you go back and re-vap the used stuff at 350-400 F, it's more "down". If you try low temps when depressed, and stick that in the "down" jar, you have a good supply of down pot.

I frequently have to stop smoking when I travel to work, and I have noticed no onset of hypomania due stopping. Work, however, is a trigger, so as I start to prepare mentally for a gig I usually start sleep only a few hours, etc... When I am working I am generally on cloud 9, but I feel invincible and can't stop giving away all my secrets (not good in my business).

I find where pot helps the most is during depression in general, and also when I am feeling dysphoric. It allows me to get to bed early. When I sleep, I don't feel so irritable and angry.

Risperidone - good stuff! I have been taking a tiny dose - half a pill at night. I had to go off zyprexa due to rapid weight gain. I also have my lithium up to .9, and it feels great.

I'm glad I don't have a doctor that is pill crazy. She always goes easy to see the minimum effective dose. It took a month and a half to get it up to therapeutic level. I'm just so impressed that I can even out my moods with a simple salt.
 
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ureapwhatusow

I will also prefice though that exstacy, LSD and mushroom use was one of the stems of what triggered my bipolar IMO. more exstacy, but I felt it getting worse with L and boomers after years of doing lots of them

X is a seriously horrible drug that fucks with your brains natural balanced chemistry, and fucks with it hard causing deep depressions because of serotonin being drained in the brain. a lot of kids in the past 10 years have been serious causualities of this drug. I have heard of quite a few exstacy causuality stories and know a couple personally. not to be fucked with

L and mushrooms are not as bad, but work in similar ways as X and antidepressants in that they alter sertonin receptors, which shouldn't be fucked with to begin with. all work on different serotonin receptors. they are all connected in some way


i was first diagnosed very very young and was hospitalized in patient for a year before i was a teen

i think most psych disorders are triggered or exasperated by street drugs and pharmaceuticals

I have spent over 30 years in the care of psychiatrists and the reason its not part of the rmidcial regime is because its illegal

most bipolar mania imo is unprocessed stress hormone that is not being broken down in the liver due to the catastrophic enzyme damage pharmaceutical medicine and streets drugs cause

many of our "differences" in wiring but in fact differences articulated through evolution and genetic adaptation

we don't fit the form of society that the majority can adhere to, but we were are meant to be this way for a reason

there are many theories and studies to support this

one states ADD is articulated in some ppl as a mechanism to drive man to explore new parts of the world, basically as a mechanism of the preservation of man to find more fertile land when the population becomes dense in a given area

the fact is were were designed to be psychologically and physiological diverse

this is why genius and stupidity are both the same curse, its being part of a minority population in a society that deals with people as if they were all the same

our differences are deemed defects only because they they aren't lowest common denominator qualities

I have found there are many other factors that are also involved (diet, environment etc.) go beyond the scope of this thread
 
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texsativa

six years later and i had been growing and smoking a LOT, daily ingesting 2-4 grams of high-potency herb. i had a family crisis, and decided to stop growing once my stash had gone. familiar story ... three weeks later and i was in the psyuchiatric hospital again. this last time (2 yrs ago) it cost me my marriage, my home, some more fair-weather friends, my grow-op, pets, car etc etc. it was a disaster, a disaster triggered by (a) my own inate bipolar disorder (b) external stress (women, money and family members being ill, and (c) running out of herb!

so it's not anxiety regarding running out. i think that mj 'subdues' my brain to a certain extent, acting as a mild tranquiliser, and when i go without it and this situ is combined with external stresses, my brain accelerates to the point where it goes out of control.

i don't let bipolar be the biggest thing in my life. in my country there is no medical mj and the shrinks frown on its use, and say it causes mental illness, so i get no sympathy here. however, i do think there is something to be learned from my own exp, so TAKE CARE WHEN COMING OFF THE MJ, bipolar people.

i also take depakote at 250 mg/day, half what i am prescribed. however, it makes me such a zombie i often don't take it at all. i monitor my thought processes and am constantly wary of the beginning signs of a manic episode, although i know that when it comes there ain't nothing i can do to prevent it raging. i use blueberry as a daily tonic (think valium/mood stabiliser), white widow as a nightcap (think temazepam) and kali mist as a cheer-up-and-think smoke (think antidepressant). i KNOW these strains are good for my condition but try telling that to the psychiatrists i have had the misfortune to come up against.

sorry for long post.:2cents:

Thank you for the post. I think you nailed it...stress. A lot of doctors are open to marijuana for bipolar. Psychiatry and mental illness just doesn't have the information available, partly in due to the fact we don't understand the mind and mental illness, and the stigma of becoming a psychiatrist, and the stigma of doing psychiatric research once you become a psychiatrist. Coming off the herb and having stress was when your psychotic phase started. It's interesting. Continue the fight.
 

whiskeytango420

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Shit this is a good thread! I dont talk about it much either, but I am type 2 bipolar and hypomanic as well... The entire basis of my breeding is to get a med strain SPECIFIC to these conditions. I have been on every SSRI there is. NONE do what pot does for me. I see someone put Blueberry? wow...that shit send me right into an anxiety attack. Same with Shishkaberry...and a few others with low CBDs and high THC. CBDs are very helpful with this condition. The Church by GHS is supposedly over 1%CBD...hence a big spot in my room for her. So there's is why I have 23 strains growing. I will find the one. And share it with everyone...lol
I would like to get into this more later....havent finished reading the thread thoroughly
good vibes

ureap- almost my old list! daily was Buspar, Ativan, Depekote, Trazadone, and restoril (Ambien didnt work) and effexor gave me crazy tremors

Now I JUST smoke. I do keep a bottle of 2mg ativan in case of an anxiety attack and no good reefer for it around.
 

mushroombrew

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i think most psych disorders are triggered or exasperated by street drugs and pharmaceuticals

My father never admitted to being bipolar. But I am and he had all my symptoms. He worked in the Pharmacuetical industry and had a medical background. He would go on and on about how my cousin's mania was brought about by amphetamines etc.

Ofcourse being a teen in the UK rave scene I gobbled up lots of E, speed and blow. Often all together. And don't forget the acid...

I never had any bipolar symptoms until 10 years later. At least as far as I know. But I agree damage was probably done. And I had some "blackouts".

Bipolar people may not do well in society. But all the people I know would survive over the general public in a survival situation.

We may be undesirable but our genes were "naturally selected" for a reason.

Smoking pot may or may not be "good" for my bipolar. But it makes me more relaxed and I feel better. So it's good for me.
 

mushroombrew

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I have been breeding/hybridizing a few bipolar friendly strains for 8yrs.

The best thing I have is

(B.O.G lifesaver x B.O.G Blue moon rocks)F x Pure landrace Thai M.

The Thai came from North of Chengmai thru a good botanical connection.

I know you're thinking the Thai is a panic strain. Not so. This is a very anti
anxiety hybrid. With an all day gentle motivation. The Thai gave unreal vigor to a BOG lady.

Should I ask the bay if I can send in freebies for SF auction? I probably got 500 beans.



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ureapwhatusow

My father never admitted to being bipolar. But I am and he had all my symptoms. He worked in the Pharmacuetical industry and had a medical background. He would go on and on about how my cousin's mania was brought about by amphetamines etc.

Ofcourse being a teen in the UK rave scene I gobbled up lots of E, speed and blow. Often all together. And don't forget the acid...

I never had any bipolar symptoms until 10 years later. At least as far as I know. But I agree damage was probably done. And I had some "blackouts".

Bipolar people may not do well in society. But all the people I know would survive over the general public in a survival situation.

We may be undesirable but our genes were "naturally selected" for a reason.

Smoking pot may or may not be "good" for my bipolar. But it makes me more relaxed and I feel better. So it's good for me.


my grandfather and cousin are surgeons, my uncle and two more cousins MDs add a cpl more specialists and you have my family

with that said i have been exposed to some of the finest psychiatry in the world and have documented proof that marijuana is the only substance that controls my symptoms

the consequences of these disorders have led to the suicide of 2 cousins my father and my great uncle

they all had the finest care too

the psychiatric pharmaceutical industry is in its infancy and only a few generations away from a standard practice of lobotomy

the medicines they have treated me have changed every 5-10 years as new generations of drugs emerge

the side effects of these drugs are suicide and organ damage

doesnt seem too refined as of yet but I know the difficulty of this disorder and can only pray everyone finds safe relief
 
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ka0tik_kreati0n

I was diagnosed with Bipolar 12 years ago, its been a long journey. I think I was smoking the wrong stuff back in the day because I was always sedated, or over tired. But being manic I didnt like to smoke because I craved that mania. With my fiance we are trying new strains, and I have found certain strains can almost be like "uppers". They motivate me to get moving, I cant just sit & do nothing. I think smoking helps control my agitation, anger, and rapid thought problems. I guess since my mind is moving so fast anyways, that I think 'normal' whatever normal may be...I don't see why ppl have such a hard time with mj, it seems like because someone smokes everyday that they have a problem. rifrikkindiculous.
 

CtHaddock

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I have been breeding/hybridizing a few bipolar friendly strains for 8yrs.

The best thing I have is

(B.O.G lifesaver x B.O.G Blue moon rocks)F x Pure landrace Thai M.

The Thai came from North of Chengmai thru a good botanical connection.

I know you're thinking the Thai is a panic strain. Not so. This is a very anti
anxiety hybrid. With an all day gentle motivation. The Thai gave unreal vigor to a BOG lady.

Should I ask the bay if I can send in freebies for SF auction? I probably got 500 beans.

I would love to try those out.
 

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