Ozone good for hydro?

[wafflehouselove]

Hey guys as you all know Ozone is O3 which has 3 oxygen molecule. Anyway i was checking this thing out and I wonder what if you can feed your air lines in your DWC system Ozone?

Ozone can kill bacteria so using organics is not suggested. But for our awesome hydro guys what do you think Ozone good for DWC or Bad?

Option 1 Good

Option 2 Bad

 

[Haps]

I'm betting on plant death, very quickly too I think.
H

 

[la resistance]

I'm betting on plant death, very quickly too I think.
H

same here, but it could be a good way to kill algae perhaps? hook the ozone up for a few minutes and then turn it off maybe? just throwing it out there.

 

[Andyo]

ozone in veg room tank

ozone in veg room tank

10 yrs back i was biulding o3 generators with big output,and used a small version by small i mean a bout 5 times the output of a grow shop wank box,as my ebb flow veg tank was in the room and had 2 air pumps ,i guess the ozone was being pumped through the airstones ,the veg plants were getting 3 floods a day ,i didnt notice any adverse effects,in fact root systems were white and prolific.

 

[wafflehouselove]

thats what im thinking, as long as we aren't going organics we can use it. This is kinda like adding h202 but h202 burn roots? If ozone does not burn the roots then what bad effect can it really have except to kill the odors for us also and when it kills odors it turns into oxygen so thats more oxygen for the roots. Maybe this will work if you supply the right amount of ozone.

 

[Andyo]

do not use after 2 weeks 12 hrs

do not use after 2 weeks 12 hrs

yes but dont use after 2 weeks into flowering cos you will oxidise any resin on buds and your bud will smell of nothing /a bit like getting stoned on a pipe of cardboard lol

 

[wafflehouselove]

yes you have to control the ozone usage

 

[Endo]

its bad. i looked into it a few months ago.. i had a thread here about it and i actually contacted a few places that specialize in ozone generators. as far as dwc goes the conclusion was that it stopped the uptake of nutreints and oxygen from the water. ill try and find the article for yall.

 

[Endo]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=72386&highlight=ozone here is the first part of my experiment which ended up being a moot point cuase my problem was not the water but the hydrohut the plants were in that was killing everything, not whatever i thought was in the water.

 

[Endo]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=66454&highlight=ozone

found it. here is the other part. a few post down, i post text of an experiment someone else did and thier results were not good with ozone in the water. it could be good to use to sterilize the water. but as far as it being benificial to plants i dont think it would be which is why i never went any further with it.

 

[sunnyside]

At one time in my life I built koi ponds. Ozone generators/UV filters are a must in these systems if you want to have good water clarity without adding chemicals that would disrupt the system.

The ozone generator is called a UV filter or UV clarifier , but it is essentially the same thing. A UV light in a chamber. With ozone generators you pass air over the uv bulb, with the UV water filters you obviously move water over the enclosed bulb. It has the same effect on water purification as it does with air purification. It makes all the difference in the world.

Pond UV Clarifiers expose water to ultra-violet light that clumps algae particles together to make them large enough to be picked up by the Pond Filter. There is also some evidence that they are beneficial by keeping the pond water healthier for the pond fish.

Pond Ultra-Violet Clarifiers are the only sure way to control the free floating pond algae that turns water green (many manufacturers even guarantee it), but like pond filters, they must be sized correctly. The flow rate should be at least half the garden pond volume every hour, more if the garden pond is in full sun or contains several large Koi. Once a Pond Ultra-Violet Clarifier is installed, no further action to remove green water algae is required other than occasionally rinsing the Pond Filter.

All...ALL of the koi ponds I built had pond plants and annual's/exotics planted in and around the pond/stream/waterfall we built. The UV sterilization process didn't seem to phase these plants in the least bit. In fact, the plants in and around the ponds did substantially better than the same exact plants we planted at the same time away from the pond. So....UV/ozone doesn't have a negative effect on plant growth.

You want to find a good inline UV filter...look for koi pond supplies

 

[Endo]

koi pond biology i would think would be much diffrent than an enclosed dwc system pumping ozone right to the roots. but great info . thanks

 

[sunnyside]

its not different at all...and I am not talking about pumping ozone into your dwc system, like the study shown. I am talking about UV sterilizers that are designed to work in a symbiotic relationship with plants and water. Aquaponics growers often use UV filters...

 

[sunnyside]

I'm not telling you any of this because I think it is so...

I am telling you all this because I have experience with these filters first hand and I know from my experience that these UV sterilizers work without causing detriment to the plants.

 

[Endo]

i think its great that your trying to help but we are talking apples and oranges here. if you read the original posters question that he is asking you will see pumping 03 into the dwc is EXACTLY what he is trying to do. he did not ask about uv filters or koi ponds. so though you may have information on a subject its not really the subject we are talking about.

most likely he has an ozone generator/ air filter like i do and was thinking he could pump o3 into the water like i thought, but after talking to some people i concluded that its really not that great of an idea. and the info and the study i posted refer exactly to the main questions. im not saying in anyways shape or form that you do not know what your talking about however the situations are very much diffrent. the koi pond, intakes water into a filter and does its thing with the o3 and uv. then circulates the water back into the pond where the o3 dispurses into the air and mixes with the already existing water. quiet diffrent from a situation where o3 is being pumped directly into the res in a closed un ventilated enviroment. thank you for the info but i think your off base on this subject. they seem very diffrent to me.

anyways. good luck

 

[sunnyside]

we are on the same page

I don't think o3 generators designed for use for air purification is useful in hydroponics, by using an air stone...blah blah blah.

I am saying that if you want to sterilize your water, UV filtration can and will work....and it works off of the same principle as your o3 machine. You just have to do it the right way. It's all about the proper application of the o3 and not the o3 itself that is the issue.

I suppose I expanded on his initial question to add more information to help others who will eventually read this thread.

o3 can definately be a beneficial additive to a hydro setup...if utilized properly.

thanks for the clarification Endo.

 

[Endo]

agreed. im glad that i finally found someone that can have an informative discussion with, without getting heated. your koi pond experiance sounds pretty sweet. i think to implement this the right way though it would probably cost some bucks.

also wouldnt the uv and ozone for the koi pond kill any benificial stuff in the res? i could see it not destroying the good stuff in the pond cause of the recirculation of the water.. with the dwc,same water all the time with much less volume to boot. might be usefull in an outdoor hydro application, being that i could see there being alot of unwanted things in an outdoor system. ill have to call on you when i start digging up my backyard for my aquaponics system.

later
endo

 

[sunnyside]

...I could see where the application of o3 to a rootzone in DWC would be difficult unless you recirculated the system.

I've seen a pond UV sterilizer setup on a aeroflow from GH. That particular hydro system moves alot of water all the time. I imagine that type of system would be the perfect application for a UV sterilizer. However, any system that recirculates can take advantage of an inline UV filter. Even lower maintenance systems like drip and ebb n flow could utilize one of these guys... You would just need an extra pump to run the water through the filter...not too complicated really.

When you look at one of these guys it looks like a big inline water pump. It has an intake and an outflow. You would set it up the same way you would a water chiller. Water goes in one side and out the other. Easy peasy japaneasy.

Most of the units sold for ponds are capable of producing more than enough UV radiation to kill most pathogens. Even those larger pathogens that are not killed have probably been damaged to the point that they will not reproduce.

Ultraviolet radiation treatment is unique in its mode of action, in that it does not necessarily kill the target microorganism. UV radiation alters the DNA strands so that the micro-organism is sterilized, thus inactivating the pathogen so that it cannot proliferate and cause disease. A bug that can't reproduce simply dies. Ultraviolet light is considered lethal for most micro- organisms, including bacteria, fungal spores, viruses, protozoa, nematode eggs and algae. It cannot distinguish between the good microbes and the bad ones...it is non selective in its killing action.

If you are going for a perfectly sterile environment, sterilizing the water by UV filtration helps tremendously.

 

[wafflehouselove]

awesome guys very informative. UV sterilizer for a aero setup sounds very nice, good way to keep our misters from getting clog i believe. Or that can be the solution.

Anyway back to o3, from what i understand from o3 when it attacks a odor it kills the odor and turns into o1 or o2 so turning into a stabilize oxygen molecule so im thinking from your air pump that sucks in the air around your plants that has odor in it pumps into your dwc along with ozone and ozone do its thing and turn those odors into oxygen supplying more oxygen into your rootzone. That's just what im thinking but its alot more complicating then this because you'll have to control the output of ozone and make sure that it doesn't reach high concentration levels. Or you can simply use a Oxygen tank from welders and old people that has fuck up lungs but those require refills.

 

[Don Cotyle]

An Ozone generater will help with odors, not a good idea to "feed" to your roots. Large amounts of O2 is better!