Who knows the Original Characteristics of the oldskool NL#5 (´89/´90)?

[TreatyReLeaf]

My question is short, but both short ans long answers are welcome.

What I plan to do:
I currently have 4 lines of Northern Lights #5 and will make a reproduction in the next weeks. In the following breeding steps, i would like to select according to the well-known characteristics of the NL#5 of the old days.

My question for you:
Are here in the forum old hands who remember of this old strain? Who can describe the plant characteristics / the weed / the effect / terpenes...? And does anyone of you have old photos of NL#5 plants?

Or maybe you have a link to more information about old traits of NL#5?



I look forward to your informative answers,

greetz
hatman

I use to sell lbs Of it back in 91 to 94. one Of the biggest commercial growers here in Nova Scotia had three houses going pumping it out to the market. It was a light green sticky well structured bud that had strong sweet skunk smells.
he use to drop off garbage bags of it to me and tell me “weigh it out tell me what it weighs and give me 10 bucks per gram for it“ that’s back when grams sold for 20 bucks a gram when you nickeled and dimed grams. Quantity I sold for 12.
I also scored clones of it from this guy and grew it both indoors and out. But back then I just mostly grew outdoors. It grew awesome outdoors here in Nova Scotia and would yield well over a lb per plant. It grew much better indoors though.

the taste was nice. Left a sweet after taste that left your lips and tongue numb. The high came on slow but hard. Almost like a creeper high. it wasn’t really a couch lock high and you could actual do shit on it. I use to smoke it and then go on a mad cleaning spree and clean my apart till it was glistening clean. My floors would sparkle they were so clean.
I use to get really creative thinking on it as well. I remember sitting there with my best friend and we would sit there for hours smoking NL5 talking about growing and how we were going to move out to BC and build the largest grow operations going. All high on NL5.

 

[TreatyReLeaf]

I made my first fem seeds with NL5, that was back when we had to stress the F out of a plant. It was hard to herm, I blasted it with HPS lights and let it dry so bad it was near death multiple times before it popped a few nanas. I think I might have got maybe 30 viable seeds from it, so it didn’t pump out too many nana’s.

 

[swampthing]

Bodhi seeds did a NL#5 release some years ago. He has been working on a Northern lights select line for a while. He released a mix of all their favorite phenos of bcsc northern lights 5 in an open pollination from the f3 generation. I have some of these seeds in my vault. A great source of info.

Also, Todd McCormick offers both NL#2 and NL#5. He has another called "Purest Indica" which he says is the original variety of the Northern Lights line. It was acquired in 1979 by Seattle Greg through the author Murphy Stevens as "Purest Indica" and became the backbone of all of the Northern Lights hybrids. He has all of these seeds available. I have some of his Purest indica seeds in my vault.

Seattle Greg told todd that after he got the seeds from Murphy Stevens, he inbred them and passed the seeds he made around to his friends who crossed it with their seed stock and created what is now known as the Northern Lights line of #1 through #11. The #1 is closest to this original "Purest Indica" and the #11 being the most tropical and furthest from this "Purest Indica".There's more info on his website. Here is a link to the history of Northern lights.

What is Northern Lights?

What is Northern Lights? Northern Lights is easily one of the most popular cannabis varieties in the world. Initially bred in and around Seattle by a small group of growers in the 70’s, it quickly turned into an international phenomenon. Northern Lights acquired its iconic name after the...

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I ran Bodhi’s 1989 NL#5 “noof” x BCSC NL#5, literally one of my favorite strains I’ve run in a long time. The special momma I liked the most was kinda black pepper, forest floor, hash, garlic, and maybe a touch of chlorine. Very very relaxing. Chill. Just great.

Tried Bodhi’s BCSC NL#5 open pollination a buddy grew. And I’m trying to remember exactly what my experience was with the buds he gave me. It was old school (like 2001) fresh and hashy, juniper too if I remember correctly. Again, super chill old school indica pre-chem/diesel/og and void of many modern traits often found today.

Made F1 outcross with the 89NL5noof/BCSC NL5 and a Sakura male.
But I’m still needing to pop some 88G13/HP x NL#1 by Coastal Genetics (when Bob Hemphill & Kagyu were still together), NL#2 x 88G13/HP by Bodhi (labeled heavy duty med indica), and then Bodhi’s NL5 x Snow Lotus (aka Drunken Parrot)

In short, the NL is a great strain and love it even compared to today’s GMO/Runtz/etc

 

[[Maschinenhaus]]

Gude Der Mann mit Hut!

Here is my version of a NL#5 that is supposed to go back to the origin, the beginnings of these hybrids? His line descends from a few seeds of NL#5 x NL#2.

I received this variety as a gift when I was in California. Let's see if this is something for you and your project? It's time to check germination, M/W ratio and overall impression.

 

[HumbleBudlings]

AkBeanBrains also has the 90s NL5 genetics. NL5 X NL5. I believe his female comes from 90S Sensi stock, and the male was selected from 1990 genetics from Marc Emory.

I also believe AKBB has the original Durban Poison before it was crossed to Sk1. Its an 80+ days flowering strain, if its not sold out. Dave also has more strains available from him vs buying from seed vendors. He also has the 90s NL5 X Haze, and many others. Black Domina is another he has.

Bean brain's NL and Durban offerings have been the focus of my garden for the past three years, so I thought I'd chine in. I'm mostly a lurker on here. I have also grown two generations of his gorilla glue × black domina. I believe the black domina is a cut from Bob Hemphill? Or someone in his circle.

The NL lines from bean brains are fantastic, absolutely worth checking out. They aren't too bottlenecked, alot of phenos pop out. You can really see the Afghani backbone. NL1 has the terps I'm after and I only grew one generation of the NL5. The NL1 has the fresh spraypaint, lemon candy, gasoline profile. But I do find about 50% of the phenos are a more mild, classic Afghani nose. Like basic skunk, a little kushy. You need probably ten females to bag the perfect cut, but three or four and you'll find the spraypaint nose. The NL5 is alot more approachable in the garden. Faster vegging, higher yielding, more tolerant of environmental conditions like a late frost or excessive heat. I should say, the spray paint pheno is in there too, it's just not as dominant. The most common type has a hashy, skunky, classic nose that is hard to describe but... I would call it "dad weed." Half the stuff in the 90's looked, smelled and tasted like the hash-plant-esque nl5 pheno.

His Durban is my new inspiration and the biggest joy of the garden this year. I grew his ibl, and the purple Hindu × durban. Yields are low on the pure line - that's one thing I'd say. We're talking 17ft mosters that yield 3lb. But it's all about flavor and effect for me, so I don't mind. There's alot of variety in there, but it's also easy to find a quintessentially Durban pheno, so I look at that as a healthy line. I am smoking back and forth between three of the pure Durban and my two favorite phenos of the purple Hindu cross, and I'm really not that interested in anything else that ive got around by comparison. Well, sour d. But probably 4/5 times when I go to roll up, I reach for the Durbans. There's such a complex profile to them. What I remember as Durban is there, but there's also intensely gassy phenos, with a tennis balls, new plastic thing going on. There's a vanilla-lavender-sandalwood pheno that is more sativa in the head. There's one that freaking smells like an og and that's making my head spin. Is Durban... related to og? I don't know. I'm gonna find out.

So next year, I'm doing those again. And the f1's. And, I hit them with hazmat, nl1, an afghani hash plant, and a "dominion skunk" x sour d... so I need to make up my mind, but I think I'll do the nl1 and the hazmat crosses.

 

[knowing all]

Northern lights was (at least in this piece of eu)a royal genetics, something fantastic to grow, and until the new wave of californian strains it was a must for many of us ...
Considering that sensiseeds used Nevil plants to do their job, I would most likely say their NL is (nl5 x nl2 (already made by Nevil) x nl1...
It would also be interesting to rummage through the versions of nirvana and kcbrain.
Just my opinion.

Afghan and Hawaiian=nl5

 

[knowing all]

nl5 is afghan x Hawaiian

 

[CharlesU Farley]

nl5 is afghan x Hawaiian

It's a little more complicated than that.

 

[knowing all]

It's a little more complicated than that.

Steve Murphy’s Afghan is the foundation of all the Northern Lights hybrids.

Northern Lights is not a single variety, it is a set of hybrids created by the Northern Lights Crew by crossing Steve Murphy’s Afghani to a number of varieties. The numeric system used to name the Northern Lights varieties 1-11 was based on their size and trait expression with the lowest numbers representing the most pure Afghan and the highest numbers representing the most narrow-leaf equatorial drug types.

Herbie is another important figure in the Northern Lights Crew and the history of Northern Lights. Herbie worked at Murphy’s grow shop and is credited with introducing the Hawaiian Sativa into the gene pool and creating the legendary *****NL #5 hybrid, which was a cross between ***Herbie’s Hawaiian Sativa x Steve Murphy’s Afghan.

 

[Thcvhunter]

You were trolling in another thread, espousing how you are the ultimate keeper of knowledge of all things NL.
But when I mentioned Herbie's creation of NL5, you asked if I was talking about the seedbank of the 2000's era.
And here again, someone posts the correct recipe for NL5 and you laugh react, twice.

NL5 = Hawaiian x NL.
So, Swazi x Thai x Mexican x Afghan x Afghan x Afghan.

But, you know the whole story from Nevil, the xanax-popping junkie who had to backdoor the NL's through nDn because he gave the Washington crew a bad vibe from the start.
So, what's the recipe you believe in?

It's a little more complicated than that.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

So, what's the recipe you believe in?

I don't respond to obvious trolls, or people who have almost no posting history here.

The only reason why I wasted my time responding to you was because you had a veteran badge and were spouting all that bullshit talk about _chemists_.

Btw, did you ask your "chemist" to explain what Tim and I were discussing? Feel free to explain to me the subtlties of the eluting solvent, granule size and pH of the alumina in prep column chromatography.

Don't worry, I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Thcvhunter]

I don't respond to obvious trolls, or people who have almost no posting history here.

The only reason why I wasted my time responding to you was because you had a veteran badge and were spouting all that bullshit talk about _chemists_.

Btw, did you ask your "chemist" to explain what Tim and I were discussing? Feel free to explain to me the subtllties of the eluting solvent, granule size and pH of the alumina in prep column chromatography.

Don't worry, I won't be holding my breath.

Your reading comprehension is fading, or you just ignore the body of my posts.
The chemist died. Down in texas. He gave his vault to a guy in canada. That guy gave me a portion of the vault.

Im glad youre learning the purification process to lsd. I was hoping to be learning from an elder by bow, but its been eluding me. So im happy someone is takin up the torch. But, its unfortunate that its going to your head and you're building your ego off this gift instead of being more boddhisatva about it.
Psychedelics without ceremony inflates the ego, with all that dopamine effecting your saliency of ideas and self.

But, once again, you refuse to have a back and forth where you answer questions or work with what Ive said, and instead just go straight to ad hominem and non sequiturs.

Happy shiva ratri and eclipse.

 

[Nannymouse]

It's a little more complicated than that.

Well, by the year 2000, Marc E. was advertising that the NL5 was part Haw....so, if that was true of 'that line', then some of the present day NL5 is hybrid with Haw. A LOT of people ordered from Marc. I would believe about anything that herbie wrote.

 

[ojd]

You were trolling in another thread, espousing how you are the ultimate keeper of knowledge of all things NL.
But when I mentioned Herbie's creation of NL5, you asked if I was talking about the seedbank of the 2000's era.
And here again, someone posts the correct recipe for NL5 and you laugh react, twice.

NL5 = Hawaiian x NL.
So, Swazi x Thai x Mexican x Afghan x Afghan x Afghan.

But, you know the whole story from Nevil, the xanax-popping junkie who had to backdoor the NL's through nDn because he gave the Washington crew a bad vibe from the start.
So, what's the recipe you believe in?

Nevil had the same playing cards as the NL crew and many others , dont be mad that Nevil's blew it up to be world famous like nobody else along with many other varieties that people hate on Nevil for ie Skunk , Haze , NL , Afghan,

Why you people have such a hard on for Nevil ? , why don't you try and achieve what Nevil did ?

Genetics are passed onto people/sold/shared and they can do whatever they like with it , thank fuck Nevil worked with NL , Haze and Skunk or what would we have from that gene pool , alot less to work with that's for sure

 

[endgegner]

What do you guys think about Ortega from Mr Nice Seeds?
It is NL#1 x NL#5.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Well, by the year 2000, Marc E. was advertising that the NL5 was part Haw....so, if that was true of 'that line', then some of the present day NL5 is hybrid with Haw. A LOT of people ordered from Marc. I would believe about anything that herbie wrote.

The history of Northern Lights by the guys who actually did it

 

[Ca++]

I just can't stomach any more of it. It was alright back then, but it just went on for too long. About 15 years back I tried the Mazar, and put it out again. There is a shared quality to the taste, that's even stronger (and more singular) in the Mazar I did. I later crossed a pineapple with low rider, and got a similar result. I'm going to liken it to a feeding disaster. Like stirring Ammonium Phosphate into your tea.

 

[Thcvhunter]

The history of Northern Lights by the guys who actually did it

Lol, your link says 'history' so i clink on in to find you posting "what i think"

Talk to Greg and the BOEL guys what were there. One of em is in Oregon these days.

 

[Thcvhunter]

Nevil had the same playing cards as the NL crew and many others , dont be mad that Nevil's blew it up to be world famous like nobody else along with many other varieties that people hate on Nevil for ie Skunk , Haze , NL , Afghan,

Why you people have such a hard on for Nevil ? , why don't you try and achieve what Nevil did ?

Genetics are passed onto people/sold/shared and they can do whatever they like with it , thank fuck Nevil worked with NL , Haze and Skunk or what would we have from that gene pool , alot less to work with that's for sure

The hardon is because how much he lied.

Probably his work is in more of today's lines than Sam's. Maybe.
So yes, he's among the top 5 in the 1900s.
But that doesn't mean he wasnt a lying junkie.
Ive never met a junkie who was like "yeah you know, i fucked up a lot and made an empire off the backs of others, so, to honor them, lemme clear up all the lies i said"

The NL crew said they never gave Nevil the pure NL5 because they didn't create it - Herb did. So they let people, like Neville, think they had NL5. nDN was another one who was told he had pure NL5 then he broke the rules and sold his "NL5" as pure NL5. So, yes, many people were sold cuts that they were told are NL5

But, people want to lend more credit to a junkie than to these veterans because it means they can sell more seeds as something thats exclusive. Thats why what i say pisses off seed sellers.

 

[Thcvhunter]

Nevil also said his haze is pure haze x NL.
When its been shown that he used Mullum to make Nev Haze.

But yeah, he's the one to listen to about genetic recipes.